Author Topic: Wrist Supports (Read 14172 times)

Reality Check · « **on:** October 19, 2008, 10:01:20 PM »

I was just trying to find out how many (if any) pro bowlers use wrist supports, specifically gladiators/robbys revs etc?
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rvmark · « **Reply #31 on:** October 20, 2008, 01:38:37 PM »

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Grow up and find better things to complain about, or better yet, go work on improving your game so you don't get beaten by those "cheaters" who use wrist braces!

Nothing to say about "cheater" bowling balls? Everybody has access to them also. <---- that was meant towards Necro not Dan B.
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Scott

Edited on 10/20/2008 1:24 PM

I was thinking the same thing Scott, I have actually been LMAO with this thread.

Mark

bowlerdawg · « **Reply #32 on:** October 20, 2008, 01:39:38 PM »

I HAVE USED BOTH ROBBY REVS AND STORM GADGET

UNLIKE OTHER PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN BOWLING I HAD A SEVERE WRIST INJURY AND I NEED TO USE ONE IN ORDER TO BOWL, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH STRENGTH.

SO FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED PHYSCIAL TRAMA IN YOUR LIFE SHUT UP, CAUSE SOME OF US HAVE.

OH WAIT I GUESS I COULD NOT USE IT AND INJURE MY WRIST EVEN MORE AND GO TO THE HOSPITAL AND RACK UP THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN MEDICAL BILLS ALL FOR THE SAKE OF BEING MACHO

GIVE ME BREAK

P.S. I WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY IF YOU COME TO HIGH POINT LOUD MOUTH

Necromancer · « **Reply #33 on:** October 20, 2008, 01:47:50 PM »

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If you beat me, then its all good. I never said I was the best, I just said I was good and would not get dominated by anyone on here.

Me thinks there are many on BR.com who could dominate you Necro....just think that Jeff Carter posts here reularily as well as riggs, Steve Richter and a host of other great bowlers who have the game and the records to show they could take most of us including you to the cleaners. Wrist support or none.

BTW....I'd put Kim Adler up against you with her wrist support any day of the week. She used to post here regularily before the Ladies Tour went down.
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Scott

LOL, then the real question then is what is 'domination' defined as? On any given lane, I will give any pro a 279 as a high-extreme average. This assumes they will not put any serious 10-11 strike strings together and will get 9/ sometime during the game. If they are doing that which is possible but unlikely over and over, I will be able to bowl 220-230 consistently. Now maybe that 40-50 pin win is domination to you guys, but it is no different than the games you see on Sunday on ESPN. Rarely are games won by 1-2 pins. Also due to the way bowling is scoring in general, anyone on any given day can beat anyone else.

This isn't bragging, this is reality. Bowling is the only sport that has a limit on score. Because of that, IMO, no 200 average bowler can really dominate any other 200 average bowler.

If anyone disagrees, I can break it down mathematically or statistically. I'm a nuclear engineer afterall!

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scotts33 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 20, 2008, 02:00:40 PM »

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LOL, then the real question then is what is 'domination' defined as?

One that gets beat regularily and I'd take any of the bowlers that I mentioned over you. That would being dominated. Semantics.

I could care less if you're Mr. Beefcake or a Nuclear Physicist....you don't have to be Mr. Big Guy on Campus to be a good bowler therefore bowlers with wrist supports can be great bowlers if they have their hearts in the right place.....it's NOT about who has the strongest wrist. Bowling is not power lifting.

It's NOT about I am BIG guy so I should dominate.
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AngloBowler · « **Reply #35 on:** October 21, 2008, 09:34:54 AM »

As far as wrist supports go, I can see their utility. I'm all in favour of allowing the use of devices to enable people who otherwise could not, to bowl. I personally don't agree with their use if the bowler in question is trying to win money through their bowling. I appreciate that they're within the current rules, but there we are. I would also say to Dan:

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but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?

If you're not strong enough without the wrist support, and you beat me, then you have beat me because of the wrist support, no? I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, as the rules currently stand.
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Badger856 · « **Reply #36 on:** October 21, 2008, 10:01:11 AM »

Necro,

I have using a wrist support for many years now due to wrist problems. Oddly enough it was the weight lifting that produced some of the wrist problems. Like Scott33 implied, you don't have to be a big, strong person to avoid wearing a wrist support. I consider myself a strong guy but there is no way I can bowl three games without pain. Bowling isn't about being macho, save that crap for the beach. Bowling is knocking down the most pins and that is all there is to the game.

Rileybowler · « **Reply #37 on:** October 21, 2008, 10:09:03 AM »

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Well....they have always been allowed!

I am a fan of them....and if one thinks they are an advantage ....why wouldn't a person use them under the allowable rules?

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS lately I have not used one!
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It's only an advantage to the person that can't control their wrist or have a weak wrist. I have neither. Therefore it would not be an advantage for me to use one. I'm just sick of people having the full mechanical wrist + elbow support + tape over their index finger to hook more or they say + all this other stuff.

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If you are going to take away wrist supports how about braces or wraps on legs or knees and how about shoes that you can change soles on and how about rossin and anything else other than a bowling ball
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Necromancer · « **Reply #38 on:** October 21, 2008, 10:31:32 AM »

Ladies and Gentlemen!

1) I was talking about wrist supports in the PBA tour (like Reyes, etc.) and more so the entire mechanical arm. I mean if your wrist, elbow, and everything in between is screwed up, then don't bowl. I will get back to why I say this in a sec.

2) If you got a legitamite issue, they use a wrist strap, or strengthen the wrist with exercise. The majority of those with wrist problems, don't need an entire arm that you can adjust angle and release points. That is not fair and to say it is needed is just ridiculous.

3) Let's compare to basketball. Like bowling, much of the shot in basketball is based on the release. Don't doubt me because I played up to college competitvely. They got wrist supports and release tools for basketball like bowling. They make your shot and release very consistent. Of course like bowling, there are other things involved like jump, body control, coordination, etc., but like bowling, there is a lot of skill in the release which is helped considerably by both wrist support tools.

4) To say why not do away with everything else? Well I am talking about what affects the ball the most. The shoes don't matter because I can throw the same ball at a stop so put me in boots and ice skates and I will still bowl strikes. Rossin is not equal to a mechanical arm. Neither is tape, etc.

5) Overall, if you got wrist problems you got these choices IMO:

-Rehab your wrist (my double pro had surgery to repair all the liagments in his wrist, but still doesn't wear a wrist support at all)
-Get stronger
-Change your style (he used to hook from coast to coast, now he is much smoother)
-Change your bowling hand (i've seen many do this)
-If necessary, just wear a wrist support that keeps the wrist straight. Having a mechanical arm with angle control, etc. is not required to protect your wrist. It is just your decision because you fail to do it naturally without one.

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BowlingWolf · « **Reply #39 on:** October 21, 2008, 10:57:52 AM »

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If necessary, just wear a wrist support that keeps the wrist straight. Having a mechanical arm with angle control, etc. is not required to protect your wrist. It is just your decision because you fail to do it naturally without one

Necro,

I am trying to see things your way and give you the benefit of the doubt, but quite frankly, your argument that a "mechanical" arm (not just a wrist support) gives one an unfair advantage because it enables "angle control", which I assume you mean accuracy, doesn't make any horse sense to me. If anything, having gadgets attached top to bottom on the bowling arm will only restrict a free pendulum and impede accuracy.

And, to reiterate, wearing a wrist support has nothing to do with how strong one isâ€”it is worn for the sake of comfort and peace of mind, for it alleviates possible injury.

To say that one shouldn't bowl if they can't/won't roll a bowling ball without wrist support portrays an attitude of superiority, and, invariably, practitioners of such an attitude usually get their just due when they encounter those that they perceive weak.

Let your bowling do the talking and free your mind of prejudices.

And, incidentally, many great keglers, quite a few of them PBA Hall of Famers (including none other than the Great Earl Anthony) have worn wrist supportsâ€”would you discredit them as well?

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BowlingWolf · « **Reply #40 on:** October 21, 2008, 11:04:07 AM »

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If necessary, just wear a wrist support that keeps the wrist straight. Having a mechanical arm with angle control, etc. is not required to protect your wrist. It is just your decision because you fail to do it naturally without one

Necro,

I am trying to see things your way and give you the benefit of the doubt, but quite frankly, your argument that a "mechanical" arm (not just a wrist support) gives one an unfair advantage because it enables "angle control", which I assume you mean accuracy, doesn't make any horse sense to me. If anything, having gadgets attached top to bottom on the bowling arm will only restrict a free pendulum and impede accuracy.

And, to reiterate, wearing a wrist support has nothing to do with how strong one isâ€”it is worn for the sake of comfort and peace of mind, for it alleviates possible injury.

To say that one shouldn't bowl if they can't/won't roll a bowling ball without wrist support portrays an attitude of superiority, and, invariably, practitioners of such an attitude usually get their just due when they encounter those that they perceive weak.

Let your bowling do the talking and free your mind of prejudices.

And, incidentally, many great keglers, quite a few of them PBA Hall of Famers (including none other than the Great Earl Anthony, and Jim Godman, known on the Tour as "Tarzan", for he was one of the strongest persons to ever have rolled a bowling ball) have worn wrist supportsâ€”would you discredit them as well?

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Edited on 10/21/2008 11:05 AM

SleepOnIce · « **Reply #41 on:** October 21, 2008, 12:24:56 PM »

Necro, please teach me to be you. I mean you are insanely smart (like you said), you played basketball competitively until college. You are a 213 average bowler who can not be dominated by a professional, and you are a bodybuilding machine who is too manly to use anything other than brute force to obtain your goals.

I am beginning to develop a serious man-crush.
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scotts33 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 21, 2008, 12:27:08 PM »

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Necro, please teach me to be you. I mean you are insanely smart (like you said), you played basketball competitively until college. You are a 213 average bowler who can not be dominated by a professional, and you are a bodybuilding machine who is too manly to use anything other than brute force to obtain your goals.

I am beginning to develop a serious man-crush.

Ahhhhhhh, I've got it pchee is back! Can Necro hook the lane and take home all the hot chicks?

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SleepOnIce · « **Reply #43 on:** October 21, 2008, 12:30:30 PM »

With his stats and manliness he doesn't need to hook the ball to impress all the gorgeous women. They just sense it in the air and jump him.
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #44 on:** October 21, 2008, 12:38:07 PM »

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I would also say to Dan:

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but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?

If you're not strong enough without the wrist support, and you beat me, then you have beat me because of the wrist support, no? I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, as the rules currently stand.
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I bowled without one for years until it started to really worry me when my wrist would get a little sore, and I didn't want to risk long-term damage. A couple months ago, I took it off just for the hell of it in practice and fired back-to-back 230+ games. My ball roll is different without it on (more tilt, a little lower revs), but I can certainly bowl well without one if I absolutely have to. So if I bowl well, no, it's not because of the wrist support. That's only one small factor of the much bigger equation.

BowlingWolf · « **Reply #45 on:** October 21, 2008, 12:39:51 PM »

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I would also say to Dan:

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but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?

If you're not strong enough without the wrist support, and you beat me, then you have beat me because of the wrist support, no? I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, as the rules currently stand.
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I bowled without one for years until it started to really worry me when my wrist would get a little sore, and I didn't want to risk long-term damage. A couple months ago, I took it off just for the hell of it in practice and fired back-to-back 230+ games. My ball roll is different without it on (more tilt, a little lower revs), but I can certainly bowl well without one if I absolutely have to. So if I bowl well, no, it's not because of the wrist support. That's only one small factor of the much bigger equation.

My sentiments exactly!
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BowlingWolf

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