Author Topic: Wrist Supports (Read 14174 times)

Reality Check · « **on:** October 19, 2008, 10:01:20 PM »

I was just trying to find out how many (if any) pro bowlers use wrist supports, specifically gladiators/robbys revs etc?
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mrbowlingnut · « **Reply #46 on:** October 21, 2008, 01:08:58 PM »

I have been doing something different lately using the Ebonite Striker brace early in the night and taking it off for game 3. I am very strong in the upper body and weak as he11 in my wrists, even when I was in shape benching 350lbs I had weak wrists and could only curl 55 lbs.

Other guys were benching the same weight were in the 80 lb range, I still have good sized arms and puny wrists lol I get carpal tunnel pain from going the whole set without my crutch opps mean brace, so to each his own and guess what i could care less if i ever win anything major.

Necromancer · « **Reply #47 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:29:39 PM »

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I would also say to Dan:

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but I'm not strong enough and it puts too much strain on my wrist and over a long set causes pain. But if I beat you, I'm sure it's because I have the wrist brace and not just because I just flat out bowled better than you, right?

If you're not strong enough without the wrist support, and you beat me, then you have beat me because of the wrist support, no? I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, as the rules currently stand.
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I bowled without one for years until it started to really worry me when my wrist would get a little sore, and I didn't want to risk long-term damage. A couple months ago, I took it off just for the hell of it in practice and fired back-to-back 230+ games. My ball roll is different without it on (more tilt, a little lower revs), but I can certainly bowl well without one if I absolutely have to. So if I bowl well, no, it's not because of the wrist support. That's only one small factor of the much bigger equation.

That is my point! The reaction or whatever you want to call it is different. Not saying you will not bowl good without it, but with it, there is clearly a difference!

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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #48 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:31:26 PM »

There's a difference, but is it that difference necessarily better or worse? I know a couple people who roll the ball a lot better without a brace, but wear one because of wrist problems.

No matter what you want to believe, THE WRIST BRACE DOES NOT THROW THE BALL FOR ME. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Necromancer · « **Reply #49 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:32:22 PM »

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With his stats and manliness he doesn't need to hook the ball to impress all the gorgeous women. They just sense it in the air and jump him.
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Actually I am not like many others that seek the latest ball that can hook the most. I am more into the mid-range balls that are more consistent to the pocket. Those with aggressive coverstocks like Storm's Masters Line don't fit my goals or my game. It looks pretty until I leave a bunch of splits or hook brooklyn. I polish all my balls.
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Necromancer · « **Reply #50 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:35:12 PM »

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There's a difference, but is it that difference necessarily better or worse? I know a couple people who roll the ball a lot better without a brace, but wear one because of wrist problems.

No matter what you want to believe, THE WRIST BRACE DOES NOT THROW THE BALL FOR ME. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Argghhhh!!! I can't get through to you all of what I'm saying. Ok here is the scenario I don't like (went from broad description to detailed situation LOL JESUS!):

-Guy bowling with me is not getting a good reaction. His ball is hooking too much.
-He is of course wearing a mechanical arm (those $50 ones that bend at the wrist and lock along with tilt control).
-He is fed up and with a couple of clicks to the robot on his arm his ball is now going much straighter and into the pocket.
-Next game he goes from a 180 game to a cruisin' 240 game.
-He goes, "it's all in this baby!"

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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #51 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:46:17 PM »

Because of course it's impossible to change your release without one of those. Get real.
(And where'd he find one for $50? Mine cost $70)

If my ball's hooking too early, I adjust my release itself, not my wrist brace settings, to create more axis rotation for extra skid through the front part of the lane. Or, if I am so inclined, I can change balls to something weaker that gives me better length. I'm guessing that's something else that should be banned, right? Because then it's "all in the ball." Your logic is just as faulty as someone who would say that wrist braces have no effect whatsoever.

Necromancer · « **Reply #52 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:50:06 PM »

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Because of course it's impossible to change your release without one of those. Get real.
(And where'd he find one for $50? Mine cost $70)

If my ball's hooking too early, I adjust my release itself, not my wrist brace settings, to create more axis rotation for extra skid through the front part of the lane. Or, if I am so inclined, I can change balls to something weaker that gives me better length. I'm guessing that's something else that should be banned, right? Because then it's "all in the ball." Your logic is just as faulty as someone who would say that wrist braces have no effect whatsoever.

Ok, better example. I can take a Black Widow and use it for every shot in a night - strike(hook) and spare (straight). I do this by changing the wrist of my shot - manually. I see league bowlers that adjust their mechanical arms or take it off completely and let their wrist break for the spare. This proves that they have no control at all in their wrist position on release.

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Storm Recharge
Columbia 300 SuperBeast
Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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2006-07 League Champions
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6'0" and ~210lbs @10% BF

Kid Jete · « **Reply #53 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:51:36 PM »

I use a brace because I like it and honestly I think people like you would prevent me from not using it. I think it's hilarious when people call them "robot arms" in warms up thinking they are too cool for school. I'm also guessing you wear extra medium t-shirts and think pink is the new black too right?

I realize you come on here and, as far as I can tell, don't purposely piss people off, yet you're pretty good at it. Sometimes it's not always a bad idea to step back and think about what you are going to say before you say it. I read through this thread and all it sounds like you're doing is making excuses, whining and trying to FIGJAM your entire life when you get the chance.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #54 on:** October 21, 2008, 02:57:25 PM »

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Ok, better example. I can take a Black Widow and use it for every shot in a night - strike(hook) and spare (straight). I do this by changing the wrist of my shot - manually. I see league bowlers that adjust their mechanical arms or take it off completely and let their wrist break for the spare. This proves that they have no control at all in their wrist position on release.

Or just do like me and throw a spare ball. Take changing your release 180 degrees out of the equation and you remove a big chance for a mistake. I CAN throw the ball completely end over end (even wearing my wrist brace without adjusting it at all). It's not that difficult. However, since I'm not as used to that release, I'm not as comfortable with my accuracy, and therefore don't do it since I'm much more accurate with my regular release. I switched from using the same ball for my spares to using a plastic ball two years ago, and now I make roughly 90-95% of my single pin spares as a result. It was probably in the 80-85% range before because I simply am not as accurate when I completely and totally change my release rather than just tweaking it from the norm.

I think you just see a ton of people who aren't that good who use wrist braces and luck into good scores, and you're just too busy FIGJAMing yourself to worry about anything else.

Gazoo · « **Reply #55 on:** October 22, 2008, 08:37:38 AM »

The natural ability to create more revolutions on a bowling ball does not define ones skill or ability whether bowling for money or not and at any level of competition.
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Phoneman · « **Reply #56 on:** October 22, 2008, 09:02:06 AM »

So you compared wrist supports in bowling to basketball supports. If mechanical devices are not allowed in other sports because you should be manly enough and strong enough to be able to perform with out them then why do every lineman in both college and at the pro level wear knee braces? They have become part of the uniform now. The reason is to prevent injury...That is why most QBs now wear a rib protector all the time...to prevent injury. That is also why most people on here wear a wrist support to prevent injury or futher injury. Now for your statement about using the mechanical device to adjust release, change amount of hook, make the minor adjustments for you then you are on to something, from a narrow point of view. You are lumping every one who uses a wrist support into 1 group. That is certainly not the case and yuo should listen to others point of view also. I will give you my example from last night. I shoot 174 game 1 trying to sell 50/50 tickets was a big distraction. I have been in a huge slump so far this year I am down 15 to 20 pins in average I am at 209 and 210 in both my leagues. Game 2 last night about half way thru I tried changing my hand position slightly about 5 degrees sideways. I finsh game 2 with 212. I then shoot 300 in game 3 and it is the best I have thrown the ball all year. Did the hand position change make the diffrence? I dont know but, the carry was back and the shot more consistantly. yes I wear a Moro Pro release. I also wear a neoprene wrap on my elbow. Did I make the change with my wrist support...NO...I did not make any changes to the adjustments on the support. I just moved my hand in the support. Lastly, you claim to have about a 210 to 215 average. You would be dominated in our men's leageu by about 50% of the league. a 210 average today is equal to a 180 average about 20 years ago...Being manly is not about how big you are or how hard you throw the ball. Ask Norm Duke....

BowlingWolf · « **Reply #57 on:** October 22, 2008, 09:14:58 AM »

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Being manly is not about how big you are or how hard you throw the ball. Ask Norm Duke.

Or Dick Weber, Pete Weber, Parker Bohn III, Amleto Monacelli, Dick Ritger, Joe Berardi, Dave Ferraro, Marshall Holman, George Pappas, just to name a few.

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #58 on:** October 22, 2008, 09:49:44 AM »

There are many bowlers with big muscles and smaller wrists by genetics.

There are also many woman who do to anatomy(they have much more muscle on their outer forearm) and lack of relative upper body strength need wrist braces to hook the ball easily!

I believe the operative word for some users of wrist braces is consistency.

I know in my case I hook it more WITHOUT a wrist brace I got a wrist brace to improve my directness on the left side! It helped!

I know many woman who bowl dramatically better with a wrist brace and even believe some of the woman pros who switch back and forth look much better with them.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Necromancer · « **Reply #59 on:** October 22, 2008, 09:55:09 AM »

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There are many bowlers with big muscles and smaller wrists by genetics.

There are also many woman who do to anatomy(they have much more muscle on their outer forearm) and lack of relative upper body strength need wrist braces to hook the ball easily!

I believe the operative word for some users of wrist braces is consistency.

I know in my case I hook it more WITHOUT a wrist brace I got a wrist brace to improve my directness on the left side! It helped!

I know many woman who bowl dramatically better with a wrist brace and even believe some of the woman pros who switch back and forth look much better with them.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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My wrist is only 7" around. So I know what you are saying. I can't change that. Anyways... enough arguing

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Storm Hit Blue Pearl
Brunswick Target Spare Zone
Ebonite 14 Fun Ball
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BowlingWolf · « **Reply #60 on:** October 22, 2008, 10:16:49 AM »

Necromancer,

With the passage of time, invariably, erroneous preconceived notions are given way to exploration and reasoning, resulting in diametrically altered views heretofore impossible due to obstinate youth.

As the old adage goes, â€œyouth is wasted on the young.â€

May you begin to see the world and everything in it with renewed resolve.

Wishing you a very happy birthday!

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