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Title: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Berreez on November 26, 2007, 04:33:20 AM: I normally look forward to Sunday afternoons when the PBA is on. I enjoy watching the top bowlers in the world compete against each other. Sunday wasnâ€™t one of those times.

What was the PBA thinking when they put that oil pattern down?

Who else on earth besides Robert Smith could throw the ball 15 feet onto the lane and still have it hook as much as what I saw!

I thought it was a contest between who could execute the best shot not who had the physical strength to loft the ball the furthest.

I was pulling for Brad Angelo to win. Not that I donâ€™t dislike Smith but I thought Angelo play smart. He kept up with the transition of the lanes (for the most part) and made adjustments or switched balls to keep up with the lack of oil.

Then Smith walks out there and heaves the ball to win.

It was a bad day for bowling.

How about test the abilities not their strength next time.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: shelley on November 26, 2007, 12:40:16 PM: Seems like the strength to loft that far is a pretty nice ability. What were they thinking? They have patterns that play far outside and patterns that play far inside, they were thinking that this would be an inside week.

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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Dan Belcher on November 26, 2007, 12:42:00 PM: If you saw the Etonic Edge footwork thing they filmed on Robert Smith during practice, he was standing much further right and playing pretty direct up the 12 board area during practice. The Shark pattern is long, but there's not a ton of oil on the heads, meaning you have to start moving left to find some head oil to push it down the lane while still getting through the carrydown at the back. Combine that with a high friction surface and a ton of bowling on the TV pair and you're going to have to start moving left a lot.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: thundercat23 on November 26, 2007, 12:46:29 PM: I thought Mika had the best look of them all after he switched to the Fury.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: The SuperHitMan on November 26, 2007, 12:48:34 PM: The straighties on the show should have stepped thier game up then....
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Borincano on November 26, 2007, 01:01:05 PM: Robert Smith was lucky that Mika did not take out the Fury first. Because after he started throwing the Fury he was stiking all the way. It would have been very interesting to see Mika throwing from the outside and Robert from the inside in the finals on TV.

This pattern can be played from both sides Mika showed how is done but it came down to his selection of bowling ball to start his game. Came to late.

Robert Smith has the ability and the strength. Like in all sports you have to have both. That allows you to have Plan A, B and C.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Urethane Game on November 26, 2007, 01:04:13 PM: It would seem that the extra "practice", heat from the lights and Robert's rev rate dictated that he play the lanes in that fashion. As a professional bowler, your job is to knock down pins. If the amount of friction dictated lofting the ball then so be it. It is my understanding that the PBA scouts centers in advance to determine patterns with the roughest surfaces getting the Cheetah.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: APheLion on November 26, 2007, 01:20:21 PM: Robert lofting a lot? u can go and check again the skill challenge, big Wes could loft it half way down
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: lsf_21 on November 26, 2007, 01:24:37 PM: isnt the first time that smith took his rev rate and loft and lofted it to th arrows, if i had that rev rate i might need to loft it to the arrows to.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: pop_1 on November 26, 2007, 01:28:00 PM: quote:
If Robert Smith wanted to, he could of got another ball and played a similar line that Mika was playing..

And lost.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Fatboy8 on November 26, 2007, 01:30:42 PM: Maxium Bob bowled good enough to win. That's what the guys are there to do~win. His line/style was better than everyone else's to be able to score, and get the win.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Berreez on November 26, 2007, 01:37:07 PM: quote:
ignorance is bliss....
Be nice!

Here is what I posted in another forum:

I guess Iâ€™m old school.

â€¢ I wasnâ€™t basing anyone I was stating how I felt about the show.
â€¢ Iâ€™m not hiding behind any screen name.
â€¢ Iâ€™m not a â€œproâ€ so I donâ€™t get to see that type of shot every often. I know no one threw it that way when we played during our PBA experience league.

Guess being 50+ has its disadvantages!

Question for the bowling proprietors: Would you like someone lofting the balls out to the arrows because they saw the â€œproâ€™sâ€ do it on TV?
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Urethane Game on November 26, 2007, 01:44:55 PM: On Synthetics, loft really isn't a big deal. On wood...
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Hogsharley on November 26, 2007, 01:48:28 PM: I thought is was entertaining. Robert Smith did what he had to do in order to win. He played his 'A' game. I would have been dissapointed if he didn't play his 'A' game. It would be like the NY Yankees playing small ball and bunting and sacaficing a running around the bases. It's just not what they do best.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: scooter19530 on November 26, 2007, 01:49:03 PM: i have a question for you guys. does throwing the ball with that much loft hurt the lanes at all? we had a huge guy do that in one of our leagues,and the managers were not too happy about it. his was more of a physical problem though so they didn't say anything. i was just curious.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Lane1Redneck on November 26, 2007, 01:51:24 PM: quote:
I thought it was a contest between who could execute the best shot not who had the physical strength to loft the ball the furthest.

I was pulling for Angelo as well, BUT.. Looked to me like Smith was the one to be able to execute the best shot on that pattern..

being physically fit is a big part of bowling, to play as many games as one dose on tour, you better be in shape for sure..
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: ssh2 on November 26, 2007, 01:55:32 PM: On Synthetics it's ok to loft it that much, but on wood then your going to damage the lanes, the heads are stronger then the mids are and lofting it to the arrows is coming close to crossing that line. There was a regional event a few years ago where a guy named Mike Norris from the Central region played the lanes the way Robert did and shot 300, someone complained to the director at the time and he watched him throw a few shots and said there was nothing wrong since he wasn't landing past the arrows where he could've done the most damage to the lanes.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Monster Pike on November 26, 2007, 01:58:10 PM: [/quote]
Question for the bowling proprietors: Would you like someone lofting the balls out to the arrows because they saw the â€œproâ€™sâ€ do it on TV?[/quote]

That & how many bowlers will dress like Richie Allen? Headbands here they come? LOL.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Spartan on November 26, 2007, 02:08:49 PM: only power? show me someone else who can loft the ball 16 feet and win a title.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Sawuser on November 26, 2007, 05:27:42 PM: Robert was having fun & showing off a little! He has a lot to show off!
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: mrteach3 on November 26, 2007, 06:41:09 PM: B,

I actually couldn't agree with you more. I was so excited to see RB bowl, but when I saw what was going on with his loft, I couldn't be more disappointed. It was certainly impressive, but I guess I just don't know how to express my disappointment. For the first time I was pushing for Angelo. Yikes, this post must seem confusing, but that is exactly how I felt watching the finals.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: tonybowls on November 26, 2007, 07:26:51 PM: Like I said in an earlier post. Smith felt that lofting the gutter cap was the best way for him to win. There is no way I would ever hope Brad Angelo beats Robert Smith.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: J_Mac on November 26, 2007, 07:43:26 PM: quote:
only power? show me someone else who can loft the ball 16 feet and win a title.

Mika is fully capable of lofting it that far and probably has in the process of winning one of his many titles, whether it be PBA or international.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: TWOHAND834 on November 26, 2007, 07:56:28 PM: Lofting it 16 feet and winning? I know that Tommy Jones has done that quite a bit on the Regional Circuit. I know of a tournament here in Atlanta where in the final match, he was standing on the left lane when bowling on the right lane, lofting the first 8-10 feet of the left gutter swinging out to 10-12 at the breakpoint, and shot in the 250s to win. It does happen.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: mainzer on November 27, 2007, 06:40:00 AM: whats wrong with a different method of throwing the ball? Would you gutter cap it like that if you need to, to win? I think you would. And by the way lofting like that really isn't a test of strength is is just holding onto the ball a little longer and to hit your mark like that takes alot more skill than throwing the ball normally and hitting your mark trust take it from some one who has atttempted to do shots like that before
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: YeahHossNV on November 27, 2007, 07:34:51 AM: Look at how far left Brad was with a lot less hand where was Rob supposed to play? Right of him? here is an idea go bowl one game tomorrow and play that same line it does not matter if you strike or not just go by feel. Tell me how many shots you miss right, how many shots you miss left, how many shots you hit up on to much, and how many shots you miss at the bottom. Yes Robert tried several different shots in practice, but there is a reason he chose to play where he did. The straighter players didn't have that great of a look from out. Mika had a pretty good line once he moved way out but let's face it, when Mika is on he rarely ever misses.

Playing that line when the pattern is broken down on the shark pattern for high rev players is not that uncommon.

Can't you guys ever congratulate somebody when they win something. Let's face it most of you couldn't shoot 150 on that pattern for that amount of money.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on November 27, 2007, 08:02:51 AM: I was personally glad to see it because it echoes some of the stuff I have been dealing with in these PBA Experience leagues.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Laybzz74 on November 27, 2007, 08:03:47 AM: One word ... SCOREBOARD !!!
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on November 27, 2007, 08:07:03 AM: Hopefully this thread is not a criticism of Smith, but a criticism of the oil pattern on that surface or something.

What Smith did was awesome to get over there and score like that when he had to.

Edited on 11/27/2007 9:07 AM
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: pop_1 on November 27, 2007, 08:13:19 AM: I think the oil pattern was fine. It showed who can adapt or adjust. Smith was better, but Angelo did well. The telecast gave everyone a different look on how these guys can play anywhere on the lane. I thought that was awesome.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on November 27, 2007, 08:15:51 AM: quote:

How about test the abilities not their strength next time.

That is an ability. Sometimes these patterns force you way left. Even non-power guys. Now take a guy like Smith?

OK, so you are standing on the left front of the ball return. You have to change your approach to compensate and you have to have precise loft skill.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: on November 27, 2007, 08:42:04 AM: Robert Smith did what was to his advantage to win on that shark pattern and that surface on that day. That shot probably isn't available every week, or he would probably have more titles.

What's the difference between that and Walter Ray playing straighter because it's to his advantage?

These guys are great bowlers and they want to win, not look pretty taking second place.

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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Comet790 on November 27, 2007, 09:01:18 AM: You do what ever it takes to score!
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on November 27, 2007, 09:20:17 AM: quote:

These guys are great bowlers and they want to win, not look pretty taking second place.

See I thought he made it look pretty. I guess some people were horrified by that.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: on November 27, 2007, 11:20:07 AM: quote:
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These guys are great bowlers and they want to win, not look pretty taking second place.

See I thought he made it look pretty. I guess some people were horrified by that.

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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Wilbert on November 27, 2007, 11:22:02 AM: Robert is executing shots. It is just different from what people normally see. Try standing in front of the ball return and hitting the 35th board. The only way is to loft the ball over the gutter/ball return. If you roll the ball, it will be in the gutter or the next lane.
Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: mainzer on November 27, 2007, 11:35:52 AM: To bereez and any one else whining about the line he was playing do I hear just a little jealousy in your tone?
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: BowlingWolf on November 27, 2007, 11:53:55 AM: Mr. Smith is a very talented bowler.

He can put it down gently with his usual tremendous speed and revs, he can loft it like he did this past Sunday, and he can back up the ball (using the lefty's line when it's the only available choice) with almost as many revs as from the right side and same speed, and is also able to play any part of the lane, including the outside!

The only thing that has hurt him a little the last couple of years have been injuries.

I'm hoping to see him a lot on TV in the future, even if all we ever see him doing is lofting the ball over the left gutter.

And one more thing, Robert is a very likeable individual.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Necromancer on November 27, 2007, 12:57:09 PM: quote:
I normally look forward to Sunday afternoons when the PBA is on. I enjoy watching the top bowlers in the world compete against each other. Sunday wasnâ€™t one of those times.

What was the PBA thinking when they put that oil pattern down?

Who else on earth besides Robert Smith could throw the ball 15 feet onto the lane and still have it hook as much as what I saw!

I thought it was a contest between who could execute the best shot not who had the physical strength to loft the ball the furthest.

I was pulling for Brad Angelo to win. Not that I donâ€™t dislike Smith but I thought Angelo play smart. He kept up with the transition of the lanes (for the most part) and made adjustments or switched balls to keep up with the lack of oil.

Then Smith walks out there and heaves the ball to win.

It was a bad day for bowling.

How about test the abilities not their strength next time.

How about stop crying because you are too lazy to hit the gym. It was an awesome day for bowling. It shows that the best athlete won not some fatso or some weak guy that is using the balls dynamics and speed for most of the work. You probably don't watch other sports then if you are complaining about how strength won. You should probably not bowl against me then either since I bowl more like Robert Smith than any of the other bowlers on the telecast. There needs to be more bowlers like Robert Smith and less 'league bowlers' who happen to have bowled long enough in their lives to be good enough for the PBA.
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Title: Re: You Call That Bowling
Post by: Berreez on November 27, 2007, 01:31:48 PM: Necro - You crack me up.

I looked at your spec's and we throw about the same way and yes I average 215 also. Oh by the way "sonny" I'm 53! How does that make you feel? I love putting house bowlers like you to shame. It is funny looking over at them and I know their wondering "How can that OLD mand throw the ball as fast and with the same amount of rev's I do?"

Hit the gym? Please.......be there, still doing that.

So keep practing and maybe when your as old as I am you'll be able to do the the young guns as I've been doing for years.