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da Shiv

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PWBA doomed?
« on: May 27, 2003, 10:36:16 PM »
Here are links to two articles in today's Detroit Free Press (if I can get this to work).

http://www.freep.com/sports/othersports/bowl28_20030528.htm

and

http://www.freep.com/sports/othersports/pwba28_20030528.htm

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DON DRAPER

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Re: PWBA doomed?
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2003, 10:37:58 PM »
this would be a shame if the pwba were to come to an end. i look forward to the telecasts and enjoy the competition as much as the mens tour. someone or some group of persons needs to make a financial commitment to ensure the future of the pwba.

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2003, 11:52:11 PM »
Any suggestions???
Maybe if we all mentioned this to everyone we know, an angel would pop out of the woodwork. I intend to try. How about all of you?
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2003, 12:12:48 AM »
I like watching the women too. They seem to have much more personality than alot of the men.

That being said, I think maybe the PWBA women may have brought this on them selves. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG----I COULD VERY WELL BE MISTAKEN IN ALL OF THIS. The PWBA women 1-3 years ago fought to get the prize money raised. If the prize money was raised, and the sponsor money is not there then that has to be what is killing the PWBA. Women in many sports want more money, and I understand that. But they usually do not create the revenue the men do. To compare the prize funds of the men and women and say the women are being cut short is just wrong. There is more overall interest in the men and therefore the men create the revenue.
This very much goes back to the article 9(not sure if that is correct off of the top of my head), where in college there have to be X number of scholorships set aside for women. That is great, I have 2 daughters and hope that some day one of them can benefit from that. Is it really worth giving the women the scholorships when most of the time the women's sports are not filling the seats like the men are? There are exceptions naturally----U Conn women basket ball and U Tenn women basketball. As a whole there have been some men's sport programs cut due to having to make room for women.
In the complete picture I personally hope the PWBA stays and stays for years. But in order to have that happen some of the women are going to have to make the sacrifice in the prize fund. It will not be easy for them to do because the cost of travel is outrageous, but that is probably what it will take.
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Re: PWBA doomed?
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2003, 05:16:59 AM »
EXCALIBUR, that's in where lies the catch-22 of the situation.  Yes, the women want and DESERVE more money in their prize funds.....unfortunately, nobody is stepping up to the plate to help make up the funds.  If you cut back on the prize funds that are being offered in the tournaments, then the entries themselves will fall out the bottom, because it just won't make economical sense to go to the expense to enter the tournaments (and all of the travel expenses, lodging expenses, equipment expenses, and other dollars incurred while competing) when there isn't enough prize money coming back to even cover the expenses of competition.  As it is, only a fraction of the competitors who enter will see a dime in money for their efforts and monetary investments, and to further degrade the payouts will only kill the PWBA Tour itself.  Maybe the Regional events MIGHT survive, but the Regionals depend on the bigger names entering to muster up the public interest, so the demise of the Tour could also lead to the demise of the Regional program.

I have to give credit where credit is due.  John Sommer III has been very generous to the game to invest some $4 million of his money in hopes of seeing a return of some type in his investment, but there is a limit to how much liability one individual can absorb.  I'm sure that this situation is killing John emotionally, but what other choices does he have at this point, seeing as how no other big dollar sponsors are willing to step up to the plate?  The PWBA has survived BECAUSE of John's efforts, but that well has about run dry.  I'd hate to be in the position that he is faced with, because I know how attached he is to the women's Tour.

It puzzles me that none of the ball manufacturers are even waving their arms at this point, as some of their advertising is at risk here too.  You'd think that the ball companies would at least have a vested interest in what happens here, but it appears that they just don't care.

At this point, it will take a miracle similar to what happened to the PBA to save the PWBA.  Maybe the same group with the PBA might see the wisdom of preserving the PWBA as well, or at least one would hope so.  After all, I'd venture at guess that women make up at least 40% of active bowlers today, if not even a larger figure.  Losing the PWBA would be isolating a significant share of the bowling public and bowling consumers.  The chain reaction effects would be felt clear into the bowling manufacturing industry.  No PWBA means a lesser interest in women's bowling, which in turn leaves fewer women driven towards serious competition, which in turn leads to less interest and fewer bowlers purchasing high end equipment, and the ripple effects could even be felt at the local level in women's participation at local bowling centers.

Yes, there is a dark gray cloud on the horizon here, and living in Tornado Alley myself, one starts wondering about impending danger.

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2003, 10:56:13 AM »

With prize funds where there were prior to this season, it was entirely possible to make matchplay and not be able cover expenses for the week.  You simply aren't going to have that many people in a position to tour full-time and be losing money.  Last cash was raised for this season as were the total payouts, but there does not seem to be a real impact in entries...I wish I knew where the middle ground was.  I still believe that the problems come back to marketing...or lack of- those that have spoken with me or PM'ed me know exactly the issues I mean.

I had calls yesterday from a couple of people wanting to know who to get in touch with and so we continue to keep the collective fingers crossed...

Even if the worst comes to pass, I will still be able to say that I gave it a try...struggled with some issues, but at least was out here instead of looking back five years down the road and wondering "what if".

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Re: PWBA doomed?
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2003, 12:29:30 PM »
I heard Jan Schmidt say the tour could be in jeopardy before the swing ended.  But was I the only one dismayed when almost in the same breath she said "judging from the competition at the US Open, the future looks bright..." (I paraphrase).  After I dragged my jaw from the floor I asked my wife "How could she say that?"  I will not say some of the other things I said about the comment.

Sugar-coating the situation isn't going to fix it.  A sweep in PWBA personnel (the administrators, not the bowlers) appears in order because the situation has degraded for years and years.  One has to look at the top.  I know I am inviting flames for this, but maybe it would actually be a step in the right direction for the PWBA itself to fold, and let's start over.  Maybe a division of the PBA, maybe organizations such as Mumzie is involved with, maybe with some other visionary that can properly promote.  The PWBA hasn't accomplished a thing to make progress.  Maybe its time for a complete change.  I am going to send a letter to the PBA about this very subject and I think it behooves all of us that are serious about the sport to do the same.

I hate this is happening.  I love the PWBA bowlers, and I have supported their events when I can for that past 10 years.  I am fortunate to know a few of them.  I know the loss of the PWBA would hurt these fine bowlers.  But what is a sputtering, prolonged death doing for them?

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Re: PWBA doomed?
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2003, 03:21:34 PM »
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2003, 03:30:42 PM »
Players meeting today...long story short, things should continue beyond Rockford, but nothing is certain beyond the end of the swing.  A couple of groups have apparently expressed some interest in stepping in, but no details are immediately releaseable.  In the meantime, everyone needs to keep their fingers and toes crossed and hope for the best...if there is luck in bowling, we need a bunch of it right now.

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2003, 03:53:02 PM »
No luck should be needed.  With the talent base they have (and yes it is just a base) I think the right group could really draw the audience in.  The marketing machine just needs turned up.  I hope somebody with good vision steps up to the plate.
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