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spencerwatts

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Can the PWBA survive?
« on: July 04, 2017, 07:06:05 AM »
Does it appear that bowler interest in the PWBA is starting to wane? 

In 2015, the first year, there was talk of capacity fields at each event. And the numbers appeared to be equally as strong, if not stronger, in 2016. But the field sizes are arguably lower in 2017.

Essentially, given the cash ratio is somewhere in the 2:1 range at most events, I don't see how those numbers justify any long-term viability and success. Eventually, the sponsors that the PWBA does have will demand a better return on investment.
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2017, 02:45:58 PM »
Lucky, do you mean Michelle Feldman?
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #62 on: August 11, 2017, 03:29:31 AM »
Since posting this, I've looked at a lot of women's bowling shows that were once aired on ESPN back in the late 1980s through early 1990s and entries back then were similar, being in the 75-85 range in non-majors. The cash ratio back then was more like the men at 3:1.

I suppose 2018 will be a critical season for the current PWBA's future.
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #63 on: August 11, 2017, 05:57:19 AM »
I think they need to get some stronger sponsorship to increase the prize fund, it cost a lot of money for these woman to travel all over the country. I know its not the same size as the PBA and wont be close to their prize fund, but the PWBA needs to find some sponsors to dish out some big money for the prize fund.
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #64 on: August 11, 2017, 09:13:09 PM »
It's still around?  😉
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #65 on: August 11, 2017, 09:54:18 PM »
I'm fairly certain if they or any other entity could garner better sponsors I'm sure they would...i.e. there's none around
The men's & women's tours are currently backed by USBC & BPAA...what does that tell you
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #66 on: August 11, 2017, 10:34:28 PM »
Sad thing is the PBA50 is what should be being promoted some.Right now the 5 greatest bowlers of all time are making for great shows.The latest with PDW getting his 100th title one of the best finals I have ever watched.Sure glad for YOUTUBE.If anybody has not watched it they need to.I think the sports networks have missed the boat on not showing The PBA 50.Amazing how these guys have stood the test of time thru all the different era's of bowling.
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #67 on: August 13, 2017, 01:57:12 PM »
Quote from: BowlingforSoup on August 11, 2017, 10:34:28 PM
Sad thing is the PBA50 is what should be being promoted some.Right now the 5 greatest bowlers of all time are making for great shows.The latest with PDW getting his 100th title one of the best finals I have ever watched.Sure glad for YOUTUBE.If anybody has not watched it they need to.I think the sports networks have missed the boat on not showing The PBA 50.Amazing how these guys have stood the test of time thru all the different era's of bowling.

Yep in here a few years even more greats will be eligible like Chris Barnes.  Stacked roster for years to come.
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2017, 04:02:57 PM »
Quote from: JustRico on August 11, 2017, 09:54:18 PM
I'm fairly certain if they or any other entity could garner better sponsors I'm sure they would...i.e. there's none around
The men's & women's tours are currently backed by USBC & BPAA...what does that tell you

That they're up crap's creek without an oar or a tiller?
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2017, 04:10:09 PM »
Quote from: BowlingforSoup on August 11, 2017, 10:34:28 PM
Sad thing is the PBA50 is what should be being promoted some.Right now the 5 greatest bowlers of all time are making for great shows.The latest with PDW getting his 100th title one of the best finals I have ever watched.Sure glad for YOUTUBE.If anybody has not watched it they need to.I think the sports networks have missed the boat on not showing The PBA 50.Amazing how these guys have stood the test of time thru all the different era's of bowling.

That makes me wonder about the PBA50.

Given how so many PBA bowlers, who have in recent years turned 50 to be able to compete in the PBA50 tournaments, are guys who have been winning on the regular PBA tour (PDW, WRW, Norm Duke), I wonder if the PBA shouldn't make the PBA50 oil patterns harder, closer to the one we see on the PWBA shows.

(PWBA patterns seem to be a lot harder than PBA patterns, to my eyes.)
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JustRico

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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2017, 04:17:13 PM »
What do they need to be harder? What exactly does that prove? You take away the pocket, which many of the PWBA events did, you start eliminating skill
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2017, 04:28:17 PM »
Being in person at the Rochester NY PWBA stop, the pattern looked stupid tough. I watched Diana Z throw her first practice shot on Thursday nite and turn around to her friends with as big of a wide eye look as I have ever seen. She and some others basically take a benchmark type ball and just slow hook it through the middle to see what the ball does coming off the end of the pattern...the ball went 58 feet and she was astonished.

The lady I sponsored is very interested, just as I am, in seeing what the pattern really was once the Rochester TV show airs (still wondering why the PWBA has decided to withhold releasing this pattern but yet every other pattern has been released, even before the TV show airs...heck, some of the patterns were released during the tournament.....).
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2017, 04:35:26 PM »
I repped for Global for the 1st two stops...the first was ridiculous what they put out in relationship to the amt of games and the topography of the center...the second stop they played different every time the reoiled...
They've stopped taking topography into consideration so good luck on what they get...also would hate being a male left hander trying to compete...they're an afterthought
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #73 on: August 13, 2017, 04:36:07 PM »
I agree with Just Rico.  What they did with the PWBA patterns this year made it look as though many of the women didn't know what was going on.  If they continue with the harder to score patterns, the women who don't have ball company support will give up and they will be right back where they were when the tour failed before.  Let them score and not just by throwing hard and straight.
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #74 on: August 13, 2017, 07:54:35 PM »
Quote from: JustRico on August 13, 2017, 04:17:13 PM
What do they need to be harder? What exactly does that prove? You take away the pocket, which many of the PWBA events did, you start eliminating skill

Harder because it seems too easy for people like PDW, WRW and Duke to win.
I don't mean to make it impossible, just not as easy as it seems to be sometimes.

Maybe the age to compete needs to moved to 60, instead of 50 and let the superstars stay a little longer with the PBA???
It almost seems unfair to let PDW, WRW and Duke compete against the other seniors.
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Re: Can the PWBA survive?
« Reply #75 on: August 13, 2017, 08:06:36 PM »
That's such s flawed statement...too easy for the ones winning...maybe they're just better...
That's comical...why don't you just say why don't they figure out a way to shut them out
THEY ARE BETTER THUS THEY WIN
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