Yes, thank you Nick. Now I won't miss out on anything just because I and others elect to not be a participant on Facebook.
Thanks again.

And our response to Richard:

We set aside clear parameters with absolutely no intent to mislead the consumer. The reason we showed this video after 20 games is very simple:

1. The surface of each ball equalizes after minimal lane play. Each ball finds a very similar median grit with each other making them "equal" mechanically speaking.

2. In past videos, people have claimed that the only reason our ball outperforms the other balls in the video is because it is duller out of box.

3. Some balls lose their performance at a faster rate than others. Chemical Friction is more aggressive and has better longevity.

Bottom line, Bowlers Journal has rated the Guru line as the most aggressive hooking balls on the market, and Throbot has backed up that claim again and again.

And our response to Richard:

We set aside clear parameters with absolutely no intent to mislead the consumer. The reason we showed this video after 20 games is very simple:

1. The surface of each ball equalizes after minimal lane play. Each ball finds a very similar median grit with each other making them "equal" mechanically speaking.

2. In past videos, people have claimed that the only reason our ball outperforms the other balls in the video is because it is duller out of box.

3. Some balls lose their performance at a faster rate than others. Chemical Friction is more aggressive and has better longevity.

Bottom line, Bowlers Journal has rated the Guru line as the most aggressive hooking balls on the market, and Throbot has backed up that claim again and again.

Agree with this 100%. I find the video very instructive, since, as is shown, surface tends to equalize fairly quickly. For those of us who use balls for more than 5 games (Unlike 90% of people who sell used balls apparently), it's extremely valuable to see how well the strong ball holds up after regular use.

The only nit I would pick is the reference to Bowlers Journal.  I wouldn't know how the Bowling This Month review is since Brunswick, DV8, Radical doesn't provide balls for their review anymore. As a consumer of bowling balls and a subscriber to that publication, that disappoints me and I have not seen a good explanation.

That said, I think the Supreme is the best oiler on the market and this video reinforces that. I just won't be buying one. 

Nick

Doesn't matter what you say and Phil says. No matter how many times you or anyone else explains what the parameters of the test is/was/were, when you have someone like TKK shilling for another brand(s), the user will continue to latch onto anyone in an effort to move his/her own thoughts forward. Anyone that can read English and doesn't have an alternative agenda understands what the test was meant to accomplish. TKK does not or refuses to understand that.

 
Well said. There were TKK like posters over on FB, but for the most part, they backed off after the parameters of the test were explained to them. Questions are fine, but when they're continuously asked after being answered repeatedly, there is an agenda in play. Unfortunately this is the Internet, and there is little available to stop it.
 
The original 'Perception vs Reality' video featuring the Guru convinced me to give Radical a try. Any company owner who's willing to come on here, and who publishes videos that openly compare their products to others, deservers a look. At least in my book.
 
My own experience with the Guru reenforces the results I saw in the original video, not to mention the conclusions by BJI. I placed third in a Badger pattern (52') sport short tournament where most others were struggling with their equipment not recovering. I just bought the Supreme, and look forward to what the ball will do on longer oil.
 
Phil, keep posting here, and keep the videos coming. They're opening a lot of eyes to Radical.

We send BTM high performance balls. The last batch of balls didn't get there for whatever reason, so we sent them a Nirvana, Thug Life and Guru Supreme.

Just curious since you bring it up, how many balls have your purchased this year because of reading a review in BTM?

At least 6 between my son and me. Several others purchased this year based on previous experience. This still doesn't answer the question why LP and MP balls are no longer provided for testing.

As for the aforementioned HP balls, I'll believe it when I see the reviews.  I was told on Facebook comment a months and a half ago that Nirvana was an oversight and that it would be corrected. Still haven't seen it.  I suppose it's possible that the py now have them and are not reviewing.  All I know is other major companies still provide full range of balls for review.

I bought Graffiti Tag and black and gold Spike based on reviews.  There's LP where I would probably have considered rack attack or rave (depending on review) in lieu of spike. Bought BW legend based on review.  Bought an IQ Tour based on review. My son asked for and I bought a Guru Master based on review (and otherwise he's strictly Motiv).  His 15 pound Motiv Arsenal was purchased in some part previous 14# experience and some parts review to find comps of balls that are no longer available.

I did not count the balls I bought based on review and have not drilled (Arson High Flare, guru mighty, burgundy ringer, LT48, others)

In fairness, do I make my purchasing decisions strictly based on BTM reviews? No I don't. But I do count on it as a tool and component in my process. Which is why virtually all newer Brunswick, DV8 and Radical equipment will no longer be considered by me.  I'm not encouraging others to do the same. It's just my decision on how I will handle my purchasing decisions.

I also buy a lot of balls a year. I use BTM as a nice guideline. Not 100% of my decisions are made by those reviews but they do provide me power in making a decision between balls I'm choosing from. If I'm undecided between 2 or 3 then the review makes that decision easier for me. Ive been thinking about a vandal but can't seem to find any reviews outside of staffers so I haven't purchased it. In the meantime I've purchased 3 others since I started looking at the Vandal.

Thanks, Bowlaholic..

Ultimately, I don't make the call on BTM, all I can do is pass along the feedback I see. I understand why the displeasure for the readers/consumers, but I also understand the decision we made only sending high performance.

I explained a little more on the other thread.

Let's keep this one on topic about the video please.