Maybe I missed this within one of the threads, but how does the Guru compare to the original Reax? I have the Reax and thought that was a strong ball. Not sure I will find much use for the Guru if it is even stronger....but then again I saw a very good bowler throwing one in my league last night. Not sure how he did it, but he threw it all 3 games. Just curious as to how these compare. Thanks in advance for your time.

How much more length? Are we talking maybe a foot at the most? But that is significant depending on the pattern and angle of attack.

Yes I get about a foot more length and more overall hook than my Reax. My Reax is earlier and has more arc than my Guru. The way the Guru goes through the pins is the strongest I've seen in a long time.

I have both.  The Reax is a great control or benchmark ball.  The Guru is a completely different beast.  For being a solid sanded ball, the Guru get's surprising length and the back end motion is crazy.  I'm speed dominant and usually have to play down and in, but the Guru allows me to move in and swing the ball and still have enough to get back to the pocket.

I have a Reax and I could not consider that ball to be a benchmark type, but that is with my style and the drier lanes I bowl on.  Maybe with a lot more ball speed and more oil it could be for someone.

I also have a Brunswick Mastermind.  Mo Pinel laid out both the Mastermind and the Guru on separate visits to my area.  Mo even told me that the Reax would be my control ball, the Mastermind goes above the Reax and the Guru above the Mastermind.  That's exactly how it looks on the lanes as well.  I have a Hy-Road pearl that works nicely below the Reax.

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      Let me start off by saying this isn't a personal swipe at you. But why would you take a ball like the Reax and drill it so weak to make it a benchmark ball? It would seem there are other balls in the Rafical line-up better suited to this. Personally, I don't see the advantage of taking a heavy oil, hooking, ball and drilling it weak. I have the Reax drilled slightly strong and use it as it wad intended, on longer/heavier patterns. As I said, I am more on the speed dominant side as well. I know Mo gave you these drillings, and he has more knowledge in his pinky then probably ever will.....but I still don't get it.

What kind of surface did you have on the Reax Solid? Usually 1000 works when you're talking about 'heavy oil'. But depending on your game (i.e., ball speed and/or rev rate), 500 or 360 works on heavy oil/long patterns.