I have a Cash with the pin to the right of the ring finger. 2 3/4 pin to PAP, MB to the right of the thumb. The ball does not move like I had hoped. Not burning up and rolling forward, just doesn't do much. Tried a bunch of different surfaces too. A higher grit made it respond better off of the friction but I have plenty of other balls that look better. Duller and it was just earlier but still pukey on the back end. I was really hoping it would be a ball that I could see some motion on heavier conditions when other stuff won't move. It isn't that at all. I put a weight hole on the PSA and the ball actually had a lot better shape and motion. Since weight holes will be illegal in a couple of years, I would say to go with a longer pin to PAP, pin up drilling.