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newguy

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Need your opinion.....
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:53:42 AM »
So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable.  Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person.  Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
Thanks
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #46 on: November 17, 2014, 01:14:17 PM »
Something that gives a lot of length downlane without an overreaction off the dry while maintaining strong carry through the pins.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2014, 04:24:09 PM »
I like a ball that's smooth and will give me not a big curve but a gradual turn .it needs to act like a dry lane ball for length but not jump on the back.if that's possible.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2014, 05:30:42 PM »
As a higher rev, higer speed bowler I am looking for something that will fit my style.
 
I would like something that is contollable. I a smoother arcing ball that will get through the heads (although that usually isn't a problem), starts to pick up in the midlane to help counteract the speed and will then make a smooth turn to the pocket without sliding too far past my breakpoint. I want a cover that is adaptable, meaning if I hit a shot with higher volume or added length I can scuff it to 1000 or 500 and see that same motion as the lower grit cover picks up. And when I hit a lighter volume or shorter pattern, I can shine it up to give it the added length I need but it won't turn into a huge hockey stick reaction, still relatively smooth. And the biggest thing I want is a ball that will react to what I do to it. Along with the cover changes I don't want a core so overpowering that I can't change hand positions and not see any difference in the shots. Is all that possible, probably not, but in a perfect world, that is what I want.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #49 on: November 17, 2014, 07:52:03 PM »
My favorite shot is straight up 3 board. The ball motion that gives best carry. The problem is that balls that roll well on the usually are bothered by carry down.
My next shot is 18 to 6 (arrow to breakpoint). I hate over/under and prefer an earlier read if posible and still get good carry.
I hate playing up 13. I hate balls that are too easy to throw through the break point.

i am not a throw bot so someething that isn't too jumpy is best. I am an average guy so it needs to move well at 300 rpm and 50 degrees rotation.


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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #50 on: November 18, 2014, 06:49:09 AM »
I like the low flaring, smooth arcing, control/benchmark ball that is playable on most conditions. 
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #51 on: November 18, 2014, 09:18:41 AM »
I would like Radical to come out with a urethane ball to round out my bag.  Right now in the bag I have a Grease Monkey, Grease Monkey POW, Yeti Unleashed, and a Score.  At Home I have a Reax 2 Pearl and a Reax 2.  I have a Motiv Artic Sniper for severe over under on medium to dry shots.  I actually brought the surface to 4,000 and it rolls much better.  I tried a Urethane Karma and didn't get the desired reaction as a spare ball and flying back ends.  This allows me to stay right of the heavy handed guys throwing Top Shelf sanded balls blowing a hole in the middle of the pattern.

Thanks for asking the consumer,

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #52 on: November 18, 2014, 03:30:56 PM »
I would suggest something for burnt heads and dry backends. I see this shot so much in tournaments. Something that would be a steady motion not the skid snap, but a smooth rolling cover stock. One that is more arcing. Maybe a weak reactive cover stock. I have been searching but I still haven't found this for me. I think you cover the heavy oil, league patterns, and medium oil great. Just looking for that final ball to cover this. Most of the tournament I have gone this year have went light oil and every ball I have hooks more that it supposed too. Tired of lofting the left gutter cap and using the 10 board 40 feet down the lane as my break point. This was a torrid affair I normally play 25-15 on a house shot. Ball reaction would be something that will over come the lack of oil in the heads but not over react on the on the dry backends something that if you throw it harder doesn't hook back that much stronger.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2014, 09:08:45 PM »
I prefer a ball that has an arcing motion, not a snap, with strong continuation through the pins.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2014, 10:07:51 PM »
I prefer balls that Arc the smother the better.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #55 on: November 19, 2014, 12:31:14 AM »
Always liked really smooth controllable reactions.  Never liked the look of stuff going sideways like it was kicked at the end of the pattern.  That's not to say I like it early rolling though.  Something smooth and clean through the fronts and even on the back end. 

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #56 on: November 19, 2014, 10:14:04 AM »
To me, the best bowling balls are all about useability and userfriendliness. There are times when we need the ball to dig in at our feet, and there are times when we need skid-flip, but the best ball motion in my book is the one that you can use in tournaments and league alike, and that starts with midlane control.

I love bowling balls that clear the heads but really dig in firmly in the midlane, something that gives you the confidence that you can maintain speed without having to worry about the ball squirting on you and shooting past the breakpoint. Now, sadly, sometimes that midlane dig causes the ball to expend too much energy early, leaving the backend flat, which results in poor continuation and pin carry. These balls are normally labeled "benchmark balls." They are good for reading patterns, but they tend not to be the pieces you really go to if you're looking to score. As such, they tend to only truly be appreciated by tournament players.

However, if you can get a ball to dig into the mids firmly yet still provide a smooth, rounded, continuous arc that stays true through the pin deck, I think you've got a real winner on your hands. I've found a few of these balls over the years, but they tend to be few and far between. 

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #57 on: November 19, 2014, 12:26:17 PM »
I prefer something that is low flaring, smooth and controllable, ball that is playable on most conditions and takes well to surface adjustments if needed.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #58 on: November 19, 2014, 12:38:37 PM »
I'd like a smooth, controllable, ball which arcs. Preferably low to med flare potential.
Cover should be user friendly, and easily adaptable to surface changes. If it gives the impression of just steadily, "walking to the pocket" ......that's the ball for me.

I don't like all these "quick-flip" reactions since I don't have the ball speed to accompany that flip reaction. A slow move at the break point is what I prefer.

« Last Edit: November 25, 2014, 11:58:01 AM by Jesse James »
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #59 on: November 21, 2014, 10:13:26 AM »
The Ideal bowling ball reaction......

For me the ideal ball reaction would give you the best of all features and in my opinion that would be adequate skid to get you down the lane with a very strong but controllable read in the mid-lane and even stronger finish at the pocket. This ball would be ideal for both men and women and would have a surface that could be tailored to fit all styles of bowlers. But I feel out the box it should be tailored to the average bowler with matched speeds in the 14-16mph range with an average rev rate. A player that has a lot of hand can make any ball move so for them covering boards is usually not an issue but what I usually see in most houses I bowl in or in tournaments is when there is a moderate volume of oil on the lanes the guy with not all that much hand struggles for the first game if the conditions are not right, myself included. What we need is a ball that gives us our confidence back without having to alter our style of play. We need a ball that we can throw and say damnnnn that ball came back from there????? And yet give us a smooth overall reaction that lets the ball get back to the pocket even when you can't tell it's moving like it just magically floats to the pocket and you don't know how it got there it just got there. This is ball that is strong yet controllable for all styles of play and makes a good bowler feel great and a great bowler feel invincible.

That is the ideal ball reaction.   

Matt C

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2014, 01:49:16 PM »
The Ideal Ball motion for what I see on a day to day basis.

Rev Rate 400-425  ball speed 16.5 monitor  low tilt   25-30 axis rotation.

This season my beloved heavy shot has been replaced with a shorter pattern and the back ends are starting to show some wear generating more traction.

What I would love to see is a ball that could get through the heads and mid lane and provide a medium strong arc off the dry as opposed to a skid snap reaction.

Something that maybe would help us low tilt bowlers hold off the hook a little longer but not explode on the back end.

I and many others get caught with balls that hold off then either hockey stick late or burn up and do nothing (typical over/under)

In this era of MOAR HOOK, I find myself struggling to find a ball that wont over/under or just has to much overall/early hook.   The rare ball I find that shows this motion seems to lack any carry power, and has a tendency to leave a lot of 10 pins.

So roll all that in 1 ball and I guess I be an even bigger fan of Mo and Phil!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2014, 01:54:13 PM by Matt C »
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