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Need your opinion.....
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:53:42 AM »
So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable.  Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person.  Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2014, 04:25:00 PM »
Enough bite in the mids to get the ball started. Quick response when it hits the dry so the core stands up and reacts the same way time after time. If that is present it's only a matter of tuning the surface.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2014, 04:17:34 PM »
The ideal ball motion is the one that gets a strike. My favorite one is when I can play 13 at the arrows to 9-10 at break point. It's my favorite because you are around the middle of the lane you and are in the best place to see the entire ball path. You can see it sliding and spinning out to 10, slowly grab the lane and roar back through the pocket spinning the pins off the deck.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2014, 06:43:18 PM »
Clean through the heads, reading the pattern in the mid-lane, making a positive move to the pocket with no surprises and with good continuation through the pocket, splitting the 8 pin and 9 pin going off the back of the lane with all of the pins cleanly off the back of the pin deck for a crushing strike.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #64 on: November 24, 2014, 01:08:31 AM »
For me the best ball movement is less but later hook than most balls being made now, something that I can play close to the oil line on a THS but still have enough power to carry.  I'm using a Dynothane Energy for this purpose now.  --  JohnP

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #65 on: November 24, 2014, 07:19:38 PM »
My ideal ball motion would be:
1)   the ball easily revs and skids through the heads (I bowl on wood lanes)
2)   the ball does not read the lane or mid-lane too soon (saves energy for back end)
3)   the ball has easy length with a strong arcing motion to the pocket
4)   the ball does not wait too late to make its move to the pocket
5)   the ball drives well through the pin deck with minimal deflection
6)   the ball does not over-react on drier back ends
7)   the ball does not over-skid on medium to medium-heavy patterns

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #66 on: December 01, 2014, 10:19:36 AM »
I'd like to get 100 responses than close the thread and give the balls away. Push some other posters for their opinions.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2014, 10:31:16 AM »
I prefer one long continuous arch starting just past the heads through the pin deck. No left-hand turn at the end of the pattern but a controlled move would be nice.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2014, 10:32:23 AM »
First off I prefer solids to pearls and hybrids. I have always had an over/under reaction from pearls/hybrids.

Second, I like higher rg balls to help push through the heads. I have a lower ball speed (15+) with above average revs. This makes the ball want to pick up real quick without the push.

Higer diff stuff creates lots of angle that I do not like to play. My best reaction comes from diffs between .035 and .045. Anything less and I get over under from needing to play in the dry more and any more causes me to move too deep and I hang corners all day long.

Hope this helps

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2014, 10:44:44 AM »
I'd like to get 100 responses than close the thread and give the balls away. Push some other posters for their opinions.
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I'll add something Phil.  If you look at BTM's graph at the bottom of the page and this is not copyrighted material either.  http://www.bowlingthismonth.com/ball-manufacturer/radical/

We all see that Radical's mainstay balls are all on the stronger side both the original Torrid and Torrid Elite on the lower end of total hook are discontinued.  Hence Radical's lower entry level or EZ Use are at 49 total Hook (Original Grease Monkey) and above and most are way above.  For the average speed semi rev dominant bowler even with special layouts ala 90*x2.50"x50 low flare layouts on stronger balls ie. Rev2 in the line up many can't use Radical.  Maybe this is because Big B has other equipment in it's line up ie. Strike King, Ringers, LT-48???   But, I see it if using all Radical this is a huge hole in the Radical line-up.  This is where many of us would like to se a new ball.  The Score is too high a total hook ball for many as a benchmark piece.  I'd like to see a new EZ Use ball.  Or proprietors need to put out more volume and blend so we can use these hook monsters that every manufacturer puts out now a days.  My stats. are in profile and believe I am more average as are the majority I know.  Many are left out of using the Radical line

BTW....I am using an original MOtion holed Yeti as my medium ball and love the ball and layout.  The original Yeti is about on par with the EZ Use line of balls.  http://radicalbowling.com/balls/compare
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2014, 11:41:08 AM »
 What I would like to see is something smooth and rolly.

 Something where the transition phases are stretched out so that the ball doesn't go so quickly from skid to hook, and hook to roll.

 For me, many modern balls tend to transition "all at once", so to speak, especially balls with high diffs, which tends to make them hard to read, predict, and adjust to.

 A nice solid aggressive cover, with low to mid RG's, and a Diff in the .20-.25 range could be nice. And make it symmetric too, or at least a VERY weak asymmetric ( below.O5 )

 I mean, most of us do a lot of THS bowling, and you don't need .060 diff with .18 MB strength on a top hat, do you?
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2014, 01:51:45 PM »
Would love a Grease Monkey core in a milder cover for those with slower release speeds of excessive rev dominance.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2014, 03:03:08 PM »
I like two basic ball paths/ball reactions.
1. If I am playing further outside, roughly 2nd arrow and out, at the arrows, I prefer an even arcing path/reaction; maybe something that goes about 40 feet and then gently arcs to the pocket.

2. If I am playing deeper, maybe 13/14 at the arrows further inside, I prefer a hard arc, just shy of a hockey stick or a skid/flip reaction, with a continuous backend.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2014, 05:50:57 PM »
The ideal ball motion for me is one that goes long and straight through the heads and mids, conserving energy.  Once it reaches the friction at the exit point, makes a smooth but hard arc, releasing the energy when it crushes the pins and continues through the pin deck. 

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2014, 06:50:15 PM »
The ideal ball motion that is most desirable is one which blends out the transition and breakdown of oil on the lanes. Far too often bowlers enjoy the hook in a box or nasty snap at the breakpoint only to find their scores undesirable!!

A motion that READS the pattern and allows the proper entry angle with HIT at the pins will be a bowler's best friend.



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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #75 on: December 01, 2014, 07:10:08 PM »
The ideal ball motion would be one that skids, hooks, and rolls in a predictable manner.
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