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newguy

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Need your opinion.....
« on: November 12, 2014, 08:53:42 AM »
So i would like your input. Tell me the ideal ball motion that is most desirable.  Please do not use other balls as an example. I want you to describe the motion.
I will select 2 responses randomly. The first selected response will receive a Guru. The second will receive a Yeti Uncaged. Only one response per person.  Multiple responses by the same person will disqualify you from the selection process.
Please be as descriptive as possible. It's your chance to help us develope a ball down the road.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2014, 09:27:03 AM »
My preferred ball motion is long and strong. I tend to play out near the gutter at my break point (when I can), and I prefer to get it there further down lane. But even when playing more inside, I prefer balls that store their energy and get down lane before breaking to the pocket.

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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2014, 09:29:14 AM »
One thing I would instantly buy is something resin with a tall mild core and cover for true toast.  Something like 2.6ish RG and .030 diff.

Almost a mild asym but not necessarily an "entry level ball".

I think it would be great for tournament bags and for the lighter THS patterns.  There are so many bowlers today that face light-volume THS' that it would (with the correct marketing  ;)) be a ball that would be relevant.  It would also be a great option for late tournaments where the spot is extremely defined and sparking where getting it to the spot is difficult enough. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2014, 09:36:57 AM »
I'm sure opinions will vary depending on type of bowler, that said, I kind of see myself as a medium speed medium rev type player.  In other words, vanilla.

My ideal ball motion, that I do get lucky enough to see from time to time when my ball and the present condition happen to match up perfectly, could be best described as follows.

- generally easy and straight through the heads and mid lane. At some times I have situations where the ball starts grabbing very early and I have difficulty even starting it on the line I want.

-with the above in mind, it should still have a sense of control in the mids. I guess that is described by some as a reading of the midlane. I'd still say control because I'm not really looking for hook at this stage, just the look like it is confident in the path a set it on.

- I feel most confident when I can achieve a strong backend motion.  Not so much flippy per se, but a very strong arc that steers itself into the pocket ( like a car in a demolition derby).  This would ideally start late in the mids.  Not a kick left, but rather like just an aggressive move that builds on the control I've gotten from the heads and mid. It gives someone like me a little bit more predictability of where it might end up as opposed to something that is very flippy.  So mean, aggressive backend reminiscent of a flip, but maybe just a little more gradual turn to enhance  the predictability of destination.

I generally don't play too far inside most of the time, but can when the stars align. To have a piece that gives me that shape from the jump and I'd feel like a god.

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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2014, 09:47:02 AM »
The most desirable would be the ball motion thats most easily controllable and controllable of the pocket. For me I prefer the motion thats strong, but controllable. With that being said, that motion to me usually isn't throwing it from way inside to throwing it way outside to the gutter, but playing inside throwing from around 30 with my feet to throwing it to about the 10 board.

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2014, 10:15:30 AM »
Ideal ball motion for me would be consistent. By this I mean not turn dead left off of the pattern, and squirt the next shot.  Be able to use to start the night with and stay with for most of the night. Not a hockey stick but defined, to get good entry angle.  Some of the color schemes make  it hard  sometimes  to see what the ball is doing on the back of the lane, so a easier to read color would be nice also.

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2014, 10:17:48 AM »
Phil,

   It's taken me a while to figure out what works best for me in terms of surface preparation and actual lane conditions to be used on when I've used Radical equipment. It seems most of the stuff that's been released by Radical emphasizes going long and hooking hard on the back end. (That's essentially what you've gone on record saying.) For some people like myself who actually put a good bit of hand in the ball, that's fine but it also gets people like myself in a lot of trouble as lanes transition. (And I've worked on dialing back on my ball speed; I've gotten it down from the mid-18 mph range into the mid-17 mph range.)

   That said, I'd like to see in a future Radical ball that has a slightly higher RG, say around the 2.51-2.53 range, and much lower differential, say in the mid-.020s, but is capable of being versatile because of its strong cover: a ball that you can actually play up the boards, but as necessary be able to swing it -- and not always on low oil volumes/dry conditions. I guess the kind of ball that I'm describing is a bit of an old school reactive (with a symmetric core), but I'm sure it could make some bowlers a LOT of money.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2014, 10:37:28 AM »
Ideal ball motion would be a ball that has a controllable read from the midlane through the pin deck, but still pushes through the heads.  This type of reaction is great for THS and also sport patterns as a multy use ball.  Ideal would be that the cover would be able to handle med to med heavy oil.
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2014, 10:48:18 AM »
 Id like to see a ball motion that still allows the ball to get down the lane a bit more and be even stronger on the backend on heavier oil conditions  say like sports league or Regional PBA patterns.   Id like to see it still hook a ton for your speed dominate bowlers as well as for your avg bowler as well.  making this a pearl would be a a top selling ball IM sure.  something like the Guru with a pearl cover though ;) 
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2014, 10:49:12 AM »
The best ball motion would be one that you could use throughout a block with hand and speed changes. I like to see balls that pick up around 30-34 feet depending on the surface prep. When it clears the pattern, I like to see a defined move, but not a hockey stick motion. My med tilt and lower rotation allows the ball to keep energy going through the pins surprisingly. Everybody will have their own definition of what they want to see, but i suppose my ball motion is a benchmark type, but with just a touch more backend angle.

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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2014, 10:57:29 AM »
The ball motion I look for is something that reads the mids, and is controllable into the pocket, meaning I don't want to see it jump left off the spot. Thus, something around 3,000-4,000 grit with a strong symmetrical core would be perfect. This motion is perfect for playing the track on a THS, and is very versatile throughout a variety of sport patterns.

This cover/core combination allows a player to change hand positions and speeds to get the ball to recover from all different parts of the lane.

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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2014, 10:58:00 AM »
Hey Phil... You know what you guys should do?  ;D

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2014, 12:36:38 PM »
I am still learning, but it may depend on the lane condition what motion would be ideal.  The goal is to get an ideal entry angle ( 5 or 6 degrees ?) and have the ball rolling strong as it hits.

I would describe this motion, in general, as a fairly straight (mild mid-lane read)line over the target arrow all the way to the breakpoint, followed by a strong but controlled hooking motion towards the pocket, and finally a roll that continues without rolling out. 

The key would be to have a ball with the longest window of optimum hit.  Will the ball motion physics allow this?
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Re: Need your opinion.....
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2014, 12:45:02 PM »
To me the ideal ball motion would be clean through the front and strong in the mid lane. Allowing the bowler to play straighter angles but still be able to move in and open up the lane if need be. The perfect ball would be versatile to multiple drilling possibilities. You guys are doing great things with Radical, can't wait to see what's next keep up the awesome job.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2014, 02:39:51 PM »
Easy through the front, rev in the midlane and strong arc on the back.