Check out the new Fix with the shapeshifter core. Our new video is up on our face
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We are also releasing a Jackpot Solid. Same popular core, new stronger solid cover.

WOW that's Radical.

Quote from: ignitebowling on October 12, 2016, 10:35:28 AM

You are over thinking what marketing is selling you.

The interstate diff is .007 which is still considered symmetric. This is prior to drilling. Other brands have bowling balls with int diffs in the .005 to .007 range that when drilled can be as asymmetric or symmetric as what you are reading about.

Anyone with blueprint software access could easily give you examples.

Normally I would agree with you. But this is Phil and Mo. Mo understands ball science better than most. And if you check the drilling sheet: http://radicalbowling.com/uploads/downloads/Radical_Drilling_Instructions-The_Fix.pdf you will see that you are way off base. The numbers drastically change depending on drilling. They shaped the core in a way to get these vastly different numbers.

I'm going to trust Radical on this over just about anyone else. Clearly, numbers change with other cores, but by how much? And how would you ever know how much without blueprint software (and does that software even include all manufacturers at this point)?

Regardless of all that, I just asked a simple question about the motion hole drilling - particularly where to place the hole. Seeing how the drill sheet uses a different layout for motion hole than with symmetric balls. Not sure how that is overthinking or falling into a marketing trap. Mo must have picked this new layout for a reason. But yeah, it's marketing...

Blueprint is proprietary to Ebi brands so it will never include other brands.  Your question has been answered prior to and you still doubted others replies.  The ball is symmetric. That's the drilling you'd use for the motion hole layout.

Ive personally used the free demo version of the software and spent many hours playing with different layouts, different weight hole locations, and focused on the affects of the core numbers before and after drilling.

If you look behind the curtain there is no magic Wizard. Try the free software for yourself and see.

And people wonder why there isn't a lot of activity on this website anymore.  Sad.

As someone else previously mentioned, the layout is under asymmetric because it's making the core very asymmetric after drilling.

That's why it's where it is on the sheet and why Phil told you to drill the same as the Ridiculous Pearl.

The numbers shown on the Radical Drilling Instructions for the Fix are nothing extraordinary.  Mo has provided data in the past with similar results from the Gradient Line documentation.

Core looks eerily similar to the CFT core from 900 Global.

Don't say that! then these people will figure it out, it's all a conspiracy bro.....

the core shape on the fix, just the shape, looks similar to a ball from LORD FIELD, Pin Hacker..

http://www.lordfield.com/en/products/pin_hacker_ball_view.php

The numbers shown on the Radical Drilling Instructions for the Fix are nothing extraordinary.  Mo has provided data in the past with similar results from the Gradient Line documentation.

Core looks eerily similar to the CFT core from 900 Global.

Shots fired. Where's Nick Siefers when you need him??

Phil:Same rules apply on drilling a motion hole.Remember the Fix is both symmetrical and asymmetrical so you can drill it with a motion hole and not have to worry about the placement. It is totally new technology so all of the previous rules may not apply to the Shapeshifter core.

JVS: Yes I know, but I saw that the motion hole drilling was under the asymmetric layouts and it looks like the pin placement differs a bit from the normal symmetric motion hole layout. I'm particularly interested in that layout because I'm now fairly high track and I've loved the motion hole on every ball I've put it on - the most recent being the Ridiculous Pearl.

Phil: you can drill it the same as the Ridiculous pearl.

JVS: I know Phil posted that I can drill it the same as my Ridiculous Pearl, but I will probably follow the drill sheet and go 85 x 3 3/4" x 30 with the pin placement.

Your hang up is on the pictures, we get that now. No where listed in most of the drill sheet pictures is what the pap being used for the pictures is. This is common among many brands and has caused hang ups for years because when you drill it for a bowler based of their pap and the recommended pin to pap along with x-hole locations etc......the first thing the bowler says is "it doesn't look like the drill sheet". Proshops always love that. Now the proshop is wrong and blamed for the drilling.

The drill sheet pic is a generalization based off of averages and where the pin would be for most. They dual angle numbers given are more exact and more likely to differ slightly from the pictures given.

The ball you are drilling is symmetric. As Phil said use the symmetric core motion hole layout just like your Ridiculous pearl etc.

http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/images/9/9c/MOtion_Hole_Symmetrical_Instructions.pdf

http://radicalbowling.com/uploads/downloads/Radical_Drilling_Instructions-Ridiculous_Symmetric.pdf

http://radicalbowling.com/uploads/downloads/Radical_Drilling_Instructions_-_Jackpot.pdf


The blueprint reference is to the fact that the ball is symmetric, and it is the layouts and weight hole locations making it more asymmetric or less asymmetric after drilling. You are over thinking the marketing aspect of what is written above about the core being asymmetric and symmetric along with what is in the drill sheet. This same thing can be done with several different balls and anyone with access to the blueprint software could show examples. No doubt many will have similar questions when looking at the marketing material along with the drill sheet when the ball is released.

No bashing, just your perception and being defensive. Looks like a fun ball, and the color reminds me of the Brutal Nightmare which is always a plus.

Part of the uniqueness of the Shapeshifter core is the fact that there are several areas between the sprockets in the band at the top of the core that are filled with lighter core material. there isn't a software program available that will tell you the ending results of the drilled ball without knowing the densities of inner core the outer core and the mass removed once you hit the sprocket or the area between the sprockets. This is what makes this core so unique. The programs can not tell you if you are hitting the core in the correct place and hitting or missing the scoop, we do that for you.
Regarding core shapes and speculation as to what it looks like and from which company, look at my history on core designs and tell me how many of my designs have been copied. The shapeshifter is not a copy it is a totally new technology, and the drill sheets are very special because we actually make sure the holes are hitting the proper density in order to achieve the desired core type, either symmetrical or asymmetrical.
We led with the scoop and now we have advanced it even further.