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newguy

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New Technology from Radical
« on: October 11, 2016, 11:43:46 AM »
Check out the new Fix with the shapeshifter core. Our new video is up on our face
book page and info on the ball is up on our Website.
We are also releasing a Jackpot Solid. Same popular core, new stronger solid cover.

WOW that's Radical.
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Re: New Technology from Radical
« Reply #31 on: November 12, 2016, 09:56:04 AM »
Just New words for Old technology.........So the sheep will follow
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newguy

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Re: New Technology from Radical
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2016, 07:45:31 PM »
Wow. Thank you for adding to the thread.
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JazlarVonSteich

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Re: New Technology from Radical
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2016, 10:20:54 AM »
I had put this thread behind me a month ago since there was no point going in circles, but since it was bumped up again...

I do NOT just look at pictures on the layout sheets and think that is where the pin HAS to be. I'm more knowledgeable than that. The first question I had was about the motion hole placement distance, which was answered by Phil (thank you).

Second question had to do with the usage of dual angle on the fix for motion hole. It is NOT used for normal motion hole layouts. The PAP is only used to determine where to place the pin, either above the ring or beside. Can you place it elsewhere? Of course you can! And I have. But that is beyond the point. I just wondered why it was being laid out differently here. No pictures swaying my thoughts - simply layout method.

I did later realize that 3 asymmetric layouts are the same for this ball. C is no hole. D is motion hole. E is double thumb. Assuming I'm remembering correctly without looking. So no, not the same as the normal motion hole layout. And yes, the normal motion hole layout could be used. But again, not the point.

Anyway, I participated in the facebook session with Mo, and he answered my questions. I asked him about blueprint and he said you can't duplicate this in blueprint and no other ball allows for as great of difference in ball motion than the fix. He said to email him directly if you question him and he will provide you with all the evidence. If you continue to believe it is marketing, then that is your choice.

I'm not even sure I'm buying the ball anymore. But I definitely put more trust in what Mo says over what some random people on these boards say.
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spmcgivern

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Re: New Technology from Radical
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2016, 10:38:10 AM »
If we were to look at the Fix with the perspective of the customer and manufacturer, you get something different than other balls and something different than what we have seen recently.

Customer gets a ball that can be versatile and be a version of both asymmetrical and symmetrical, as long as you want a pin down symmetrical and a pin up asymmetrical (or better represented as VAL).  But to be honest, if you are in the market for an asymmetrical ball, there are plenty of options and if you are in the market for a symmetrical ball there are also plenty of options (even from Radical).  Also, these options give you the full VAL range to play with where as the Fix does not to some degree. 

The manufacturer gets a single ball that can fill two positions in its arsenal.  This benefits the manufacturer by eliminating the need for two balls, two manufacturing runs, two design developments and everything else that comes with a second ball.  This is cheaper for Radical and makes a ton of sense, much like when shoe companies went to replaceable soles on the non-sliding shoe making the manufacturing of one base shoe possible instead of left and right.

I give Radical credit in pushing the envelop of bowling ball design.  And even though you can produce symmetrical and asymmetrical core numbers from this one ball, this might also make hitting the desired numbers more difficult since the range of intermediate differential across the VAL range is larger.

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