I tried it a few weeks ago on fresh oil, recently refinished wood with medium oil 41ft THS is was overwhelming strong, fought it for 2 games and ended up in the left gutter after 2nd game, retired it to the bag for the night. Used it again on 4 yr old Anvil's true medium 22 ml over 42 ft pattern it was more controllable but again third game it wanted to run away, I was left of the track area the entire night a considerable amount, it will come home from most anywhere !!!!