http://radicalbowling.com/balls/quick-fix

http://radicalbowling.com/balls/tremendous

Quick Fix is supposed to be stronger on the backend than the Fix so it's probably cleaner as well. The Tremendous is the original Guru with a new name and look but at a lower price point. Same core and coverstock. Interesting.

Ok, so I have thrown 900 Global since their first release. The Break. Compared to the Black Widow back in the day. 10 years later, that core is still in the line, and it just works. They more than made their money from it, and now allow it to be sold for less, but you will not find a 900 Global fan that doesn't like the Break core. You drill an Ops and you KNOW what you're going to get.

Now, when it comes to higher end stuff, it starts getting more tricky. Ball companies feel the need to refresh their lines, but in reality, the tried and true balls only come out of the fray when others fail. I love the SRC core, which gives me a different reaction than the Break, but it's good for me. The Train core... not so much. Bounty core, not so much.

I respect Motiv for maintaining a set release schedule and having a purpose for each ball. They seem very thought out, and a lot of their balls have been in the line for more than a year. Shock, Remix, Paranoia, all been out for much more than a year. That says something for them. They get rid of one reaction for a condition, and replace it with something that is better.

The release schedule is a thing of a past for most companies. Now it's just like "Let's see how much crap we can throw at the wall and see what sticks."

I literally have thought to just have a bag with a black, Special, Desert and now a Covert Ops. Let's keep things simple!!

  Personally, I think the core that's used in the Yeti series, Reax V2 series, Reax Gusto, and Xeno series is the best performing one especially for a tournament bowler.

Quote from: CoorZero on June 14, 2017, 11:03:48 AM

Quote from: spmcgivern on June 14, 2017, 09:09:20 AM

At first glance, the Tremendous doesn't look different than the Guru.  Maybe on the shelf it will, but it's a black dull ball either way.  I wouldn't call the name change a change in look.

Yeah, looking back it does appear that the shades of black are similar. Lighting in the pictures was just a bit different. I thought the Tremendous was a bit lighter in coloring but it's not. Strange decision by Radical.

I think the intent is to offer a ball that was extremely popular (at least in my area it was) at a lower price point. There's a large amount of bowlers who want the best bang for the buck and this will fall into that category. Its not uncommon nowadays for people to wait for balls to go on closeout or prices to drop to buy new stuff, and this gives people an opportunity to get that high performance ball at the lower price while its still new to the market.

Bingo!

If there is one thing I have learned in all my years ( nearly 30) in the industry and especially during the current social media phase is the Haters will always hate and apologist will always apologize, because they feel social media has given them the right.
We asked our customers, consumers, pro shop and distributors about products in the market, not just ours but the markets and one common thread was to take the Guru core and offer it at a reduced price, just like other companies do,  reason, those that had one wanted another and those that missed out would love to try one at a reduced price.
Looking at the competition, I see the same core coming out on the market under different names with and apparently that is ok. We did it with the Xeno and the Xeno pearl and had success so why all the hoopla about the Tremendous. Its not like we don't do new and innovative cores throughout the year.
The Quick Fix takes the most innovative core on the market and gets a new cover technology, we do have new covers developed throughout the year, its a new generation of the formulas we had so why not showcase it on a proven core.
I'm not sure why this thread went the way it did, but like a said in the beginning  Haters will always hate and apologist will always apologize.
Those that support Radical I thank you, those that don't,  oh well, maybe you should try it before you criticize what we do, we are customer friendly.

that makes zero sense...it's not "new" to the market, there's been 5 gurus already and its not even that much of a discount, guru were $154 so this saves you 14 bucks? maybe if it was like $124 i could see a true "at a discount" aspect

Bowling ball companies have been doing this SUCCESSFULLY for a long long time. What are your comments on Storms re-release of the Marvel Pearl? Its literally the same ball. Wanna know something even crazier??? Its actually MORE expensive today than it was when it originally came out. I hope you are over on the Storm forum questioning their marketing tactics as well, cause you know, nobody is gonna buy a re-released Marvel Pearl for $170 right?? That's sarcasm if you didn't catch on.

And just for arguments sake, currently, comparable high end balls are going for anywhere from $165 to $180 online. So $140 price tag on a ball that STILL has a higher hook rating than most of them is a definitely good bang for your buck.

 Wouldnt REDUNDANT have been a better name than TREMENDOUS?

 Or, maybe, if it's a GURU, just say so. Don't call it something else, because it isn't.

 Phil, I really liked your old Track stuff, and your Dynothane "SOAKER" coverstock is legendary, so you got some chops man. We get it, your good at this, REAL good.

 And maybe that's it. Maybe we've gotten used to you being really edgy, really innovative, and really fresh.

 Maybe we expect more than just relabeled rehashingly deceptive releases from you.

 You guys are supposed to be innovators. Innovators innovate.  Do that instead.

 WOW, wouldn't that be RADICAL? And AWESOME? And what you're known for?

 Cmon guys, don't get defensive, get busy.