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cuzy51

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Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« on: January 31, 2017, 01:24:24 PM »
I own quite an assortment of Radical Bowling balls ,I truly believe that Phil Cardinale and Mo Pinel are light years ahead of everyone in the bowling ball industry, when mating their bowling ball intelligence together such as Brunswick has done, they clearly understand the 90% of us other bowlers and with that in mind design bowling balls for us. That 10% I left out every one of them can throw Radical bowling balls also a still compete at their same level, but us 90% which are low to med rev rate bowlers and do not generate the rev rate and ball speed of the 10% 's that is why Radical bowling balls are made for us. I still attempt to compete at a high level but at 65 yrs old do not and cannot do the things I once could. I still compete in several tournaments where the norm is sport shots of heavier volume and length of oil. I drilled up a Radical Cash which has the highest hook rating of any bowling ball made to date, and I purposely drilled this for this for sport shot tournaments which I still bowl in with the younger bowlers. I typically struggle on these shots so I took some very sound advice and drilled up my Radical Cash just for these tournaments. I drilled this ball to combat the heavy volume oil generally the middle of the lane and drilled this ball 20x 3 3/4 x 30 with a P3 hole. not even close to anything I have ever drilled before,knowing that I will not be able to ever use this ball in my league play, don't have to when I have The Fix,The Xeno and Guru's for that. I bowled my first tourney two weeks ago with a sport challenge kegel sport shot that was 40 ft and heavy volume. This ball is amazing, actually could not believe it was coming off my hand. The ball ate up that heavy oil in the Center and preserved enough energy to make a nice angular entry to the pocket with exceptional carry. Mind you after several games it required me to keep moving left which is way out of my comfort zone but this ball kept coming back it still retained great carry. This ball hooks so incredibly strong with exceptional carry. The Radical Cash exceeded all of my expectations and then some. Once again Phil and Mo just keep delivering great products that restores confidence in my bowling ability. 
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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2017, 07:20:27 PM »
This ball is amazing!!! I know you are already know that it has the highest hook rating ever given.  To quote one of my favorite movies, "this ball corners like it is on rails." I have the double thumb layout(pin up) and I tell you it is something to watch.  This ball is clean through the front part of the lane and then that blinker comes on and the ball just turns the corner so beautifully.  Cash me out!!

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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2017, 08:45:22 AM »
I am a hammer guy. So what you are saying is that this cash Hooks more and stronger then the Scandal?
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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2017, 09:38:22 AM »
I am a hammer guy. So what you are saying is that this cash Hooks more and stronger then the Scandal?

 
Given that most of the Guru's and The Fix hook more and stronger than the Scandal, the Cash most likely does too.

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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2017, 11:14:04 AM »
I am a hammer guy. So what you are saying is that this cash Hooks more and stronger then the Scandal?

 
Given that most of the Guru's and The Fix hook more and stronger than the Scandal, the Cash most likely does too.

Not sure I agree with that. My Scandal hooks more than my Guru Supreme did. Also handles oil better. Sold my Guru Supreme. Not sure about the Fix since I haven't had a chance to compare the two. However, based on using the Fix in league the past couple of weeks, it seems like it is weaker. Handles the oil ok, but doesn't appear to be an oiler like the Scandal is.

I've also seen others throw Scandals and various Gurus. I'm seeing similar results. Scandal is more ball.

I do suspect the Cash definitely hooks more. The question is, does it handle the oil as well. I may pick one up down the road.

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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2017, 11:41:22 AM »
I am a hammer guy. So what you are saying is that this cash Hooks more and stronger then the Scandal?

 
Given that most of the Guru's and The Fix hook more and stronger than the Scandal, the Cash most likely does too.

Not sure I agree with that. My Scandal hooks more than my Guru Supreme did. Also handles oil better. Sold my Guru Supreme. Not sure about the Fix since I haven't had a chance to compare the two. However, based on using the Fix in league the past couple of weeks, it seems like it is weaker. Handles the oil ok, but doesn't appear to be an oiler like the Scandal is.

I've also seen others throw Scandals and various Gurus. I'm seeing similar results. Scandal is more ball.

I do suspect the Cash definitely hooks more. The question is, does it handle the oil as well. I may pick one up down the road.

 
Of course, individual results will vary. I have both balls, and I made my comments based on my experience and that which I see around me. If you're using your Scandal mostly on THS conditions, it might in fact give the impression of more hook. On longer and flatter PBA/Sport conditions, not so much. Bowlers Journal (BJI), which does some pretty extensive testing, also gives the Gurus a  thumbs up over the Scandal. 
 
As far as hook, it will be interesting to see the overall reception of the new DV8 Pitbull. I just drilled mine up and have very limited time with it, but it's crazy level hook. I threw it side-by-side with my Scandal, and the two balls aren't in the same category. It may be up there with how the Cash is being hyped. 

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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2017, 12:02:11 PM »
Not sure I agree with that. My Scandal hooks more than my Guru Supreme did. Also handles oil better. Sold my Guru Supreme. Not sure about the Fix since I haven't had a chance to compare the two. However, based on using the Fix in league the past couple of weeks, it seems like it is weaker. Handles the oil ok, but doesn't appear to be an oiler like the Scandal is.

I've also seen others throw Scandals and various Gurus. I'm seeing similar results. Scandal is more ball.

I do suspect the Cash definitely hooks more. The question is, does it handle the oil as well. I may pick one up down the road.

BJ rated it at 64.5 which isn't surprising. What is surprising to me is that BTM rated it at 62, when their previous high was 58 and their chart maxed at 60. They seem to be very particular about their hook ratings and had most of the "hook" balls comparable, hovering around 57-58. So I think that speaks volumes for what the Cash is capable of.

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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2017, 12:42:59 PM »
64.5 is a whole new world. Where you may see the Scandal appear to be hooking more is quite possible that the Cash is too much ball for that condition in box finish. in order to use one on a heavier oiled house in town I had to use a 4000 pad on it and then apply a little shine. Many get fooled by the amount of oil needed to make some balls perform at their best. Lower rev players or higher speed players will see the results instantly, as will players in tournaments with longer patterns or high volume sport shots where there isn't lots of friction side to side.

 

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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2017, 01:33:55 PM »
In other words, it goes to 11.
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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2017, 01:34:25 PM »
Too many bowlers are looking at numbers as the only thing that matters.  Being used by the magazines' test staff on the conditions used by the magazines, the Cash may have demonstrated the most hook of any ball ever.

But as some bowlers know (though not enough) it is the application of the ball's characteristics on a particular shot by a particular bowler that makes a ball a success or a dud.  I have seen urethane out-hook resin.  I have seen a Brunswick Punisher out-hook the Goliath.  Should urethane have higher hook numbers than resign?  Should the Punisher have a higher hook number than the Goliath?  For those conditions and bowler, yes.  For other bowlers on different conditions, perhaps no.

Don't take this as an assault on you Phil.  I honestly appreciate the pushing of boundaries Radical is trying to accomplish.  Keep up the good fight.

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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2017, 01:43:23 PM »
Too many bowlers are looking at numbers as the only thing that matters.  Being used by the magazines' test staff on the conditions used by the magazines, the Cash may have demonstrated the most hook of any ball ever.

But as some bowlers know (though not enough) it is the application of the ball's characteristics on a particular shot by a particular bowler that makes a ball a success or a dud.  I have seen urethane out-hook resin.  I have seen a Brunswick Punisher out-hook the Goliath.  Should urethane have higher hook numbers than resign?  Should the Punisher have a higher hook number than the Goliath?  For those conditions and bowler, yes.  For other bowlers on different conditions, perhaps no.

Don't take this as an assault on you Phil.  I honestly appreciate the pushing of boundaries Radical is trying to accomplish.  Keep up the good fight.

You are correct, its when to use it that matters. on the right conditions it will be a huge advantage. Make sure its the right time, guess that's why we have other balls in the line.

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Re: Radical Cash , incredibal hook
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2017, 01:53:17 PM »
Too many bowlers are looking at numbers as the only thing that matters.  Being used by the magazines' test staff on the conditions used by the magazines, the Cash may have demonstrated the most hook of any ball ever.

But as some bowlers know (though not enough) it is the application of the ball's characteristics on a particular shot by a particular bowler that makes a ball a success or a dud.  I have seen urethane out-hook resin.  I have seen a Brunswick Punisher out-hook the Goliath.  Should urethane have higher hook numbers than resign?  Should the Punisher have a higher hook number than the Goliath?  For those conditions and bowler, yes.  For other bowlers on different conditions, perhaps no.

Don't take this as an assault on you Phil.  I honestly appreciate the pushing of boundaries Radical is trying to accomplish.  Keep up the good fight.

 
Phil alluded to your point -- that surface needs to be adjusted to match the conditions being played. As to the magazines, BJI uses Kegel Stone Street (a THS), and the USBC Team Pattern. That's more than a fair contrast to demonstrate the capabilities of a ball --where it works well and where you might want to put it away.
 
Any bowler that just looks at numbers without understanding context frankly has no business buying higher end equipment. Certainly, anyone who does has forfeited the right to complain.