Not impressed with this ball at all. I saw a few videos of it and it didn't look great. My driller said it just needed a lot of oil, and the ball will shine on heavier patterns. Well they put out the 46 ft US open pattern the other day and this ball looked like garbage. Thought it was just my lower revs and horrible ball roll, so I had a pretty good two hander throw it. He has slower speed for a two hander, but has a lot of revs and rotation, and can adjust his roll at will. He threw the Max Bias and it didn't move much more for him than it did for me. It had some lane shine on it so I started changing the surface. Fresh 2000, 1500, 1000, 500, 240, 180... None of them made the ball look any better at all or hook any more. Meanwhile the two hander is throwing his dull Eternity Pi and the ball is hooking great. He couldn't explain why the Max Bias wouldn't hook either. Pin is about 5" to PAP, above the bridge, with the max bias in the thumb hole.