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12XSECH

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REAX = DUD
« on: July 03, 2013, 10:06:37 AM »
When I first got the Reax I thought it was awesome. The house I used it at was med oil...I go to a different house that has a heavier volume of oil and the ball sucks. I tried different surfaces...1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000. I even tried with some polish and that made it worse. And yes, I clean my equipment right after every session. Its a medium oil ball at BEST. Every other ball I have out hooks the reax on heavier oil..the Nightmare, Hellraiser terror, storm manic, revenge.... The reax was drilled to be my "go to" ball in heavy and tournament condition patterns but so far its proven to be a medium oil ball....nothing more.

 

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2013, 02:07:41 PM »
3.5 inch pin to CG....I never saw so much bull shit because I said a ball was a dud. Get over it already. Sorry Im not the pro shop guy and havnt been to the ball expo etc.... I bought a ball for heavier oil, had it drilled for heavier oil / sport  / flat patterns. It didnt work as expected on these conditions. But thats how it is, like it or not.

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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2013, 02:19:26 PM »
3.5" Pin to CG doesn't mean anything. To give you information that will help you out, we need your PAP (Positive Axis Point) measurement, the Pin to PAP (Positive Axis Point) distance, and preferably, the drilling angle and angle to the VAL (Vertical Axis Line). I would suggest going into the pro shop, and have him give you those specifications, and if he is unwilling to help you out, then bring that information back here and some of us can give you a more exact idea of what you can do with surface, re-drilling, adding an X-hole, etc., to help the ball do what you want it to do.

Right now, people can give you general advice, but we need more information to try and help you out. If you don't want the help, and want to just vent about a ball without exhausting all options, that's fine too, just say so.
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2013, 03:16:48 PM »
And once again you have proven why bowling has gone downhill. You cannot provide the information needed to make anything close to of an answer for us to help understand and to possibly give you help so your ball is not a DUD on the heavy oil you bought it for.
Your subsequent answers prove exactly why pro shops are less friendly. Pro shop drills a ball, bowler uses it, doesn't like it, bashes ball on internet and maybe even the shop that drilled it.

It is NOT BS as you say....but the stats needed are how to set up a ball properly for the intended condition. Understanding this information about each bowler is the pro shop's job and why good operators are paid $60 or more to drill a ball. There is more to it than putting 3 holes in the ball.


And finally...if your original post would have stated "REAX not working as expected on heavy oil" like your last post did instead of "DUD" I think my response (and others) would have been very different.

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2013, 04:13:57 PM »
If your Reax is a DUD, I'll buy it off you and make it work.   ;D

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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2013, 06:02:20 PM »
3.5 inch pin to CG....I never saw so much bull shit because I said a ball was a dud. Get over it already. Sorry Im not the pro shop guy and havnt been to the ball expo etc.... I bought a ball for heavier oil, had it drilled for heavier oil / sport  / flat patterns. It didnt work as expected on these conditions. But thats how it is, like it or not.

The fact that you're crying over a ball not performing on the condition you bought it for, and insisting that the pin to CG distance is at all relevant (it's not) is bullshit. You posted here making a blanket statement that the ball is a dud, and we're trying to help you because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. All you have to do is call your pro shop and ASK him what the distance of the pin from your PAP is, and then post that information here. It's possible that you had the ball drilled too weak to perform on heavier conditions.

The ball isn't gong to handle heavy oil if you drilled it with a 6" pin-PAP. The distance of the pin from the CG means absolutely nothing, it doesn't factor into ball reaction at all and if you can't grasp that, call it bullshit etc, then you sir have a case of cranial-rectal inversion. Get your PAP from your driller and ask him how far he placed the pin from your axis. That's all it takes, you may need to plug and redrill the ball. It's not a hard concept.
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2013, 06:08:00 PM »
12X, I would do exactly as Flapper has suggested.. It takes 2min to make the call and for him to look up the info for you.. I'm quite sure newguy (Phil) is biting his tongue because there is no such thing as a dud only bad drillings..  Take an hour in your proshop and listen and learn or maybe your shop guy can teach you a few things.. There are also ball websites that show ball reaction from certain layouts..

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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2013, 06:30:43 PM »
We need more negative ball reviews.  If a ball doesn't match up or isn't what a bowler expects, whats wrong with saying so?  Not all bowlers are knowledgeable in the ball specs or layout lingo.  Just read the ball reviews.  Every ball listed is reviewed as the best ever, hits like a truck, recovers on errant shots, holds on tugged shots etc. I have had balls for dry lanes be much stronger than advertised as well as heavy oil balls not as strong. On that note I do agree that he should exhaust all options before declaring a ball a mismatch.

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2013, 09:18:31 PM »
I'd be happy to help you fix any issues that you have with the ball.  If you could take a picture of the layout or provide any video's of the ball in motion we can make a better assessment of what is going on.  I am from the Long Island area as well so if you need anything done I can be of assistance. 
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2013, 09:41:25 PM »
My dad and I have had very similar experiences with our Reax's..  Mine was great out of the box and after only a handful of games lost almost all reaction...  Did several things to try and revive it, but nothing..  I have some video I shot originally when I got the ball, was very impressed with it, but have nothing "after"..  If I get the motivation to throw some balls sometime this summer I may take another video..  As for my dad's, his Yeti is a ton more than the Reax..  I have tried mine on several different oil patterns and several surfaces and I know the ball is not burning up in the heads.. 

Not saying the ball is a dud, cause I really really liked it off the drill press..  something has changed, just not sure what.

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2013, 09:44:35 PM »
We need more negative ball reviews.  If a ball doesn't match up or isn't what a bowler expects, whats wrong with saying so?  Not all bowlers are knowledgeable in the ball specs or layout lingo.  Just read the ball reviews.  Every ball listed is reviewed as the best ever, hits like a truck, recovers on errant shots, holds on tugged shots etc. I have had balls for dry lanes be much stronger than advertised as well as heavy oil balls not as strong. On that note I do agree that he should exhaust all options before declaring a ball a mismatch.

Agreed, negative reviews are very helpful, but if you're posting a thread claiming that a ball is a dud without having ANY knowledge of your own technical specs and aren't willing to do something as simple as ask your driller for your PAP and the distance of the pin from said PAP, that's just ridiculous. You can't accurately review a ball if you don't know how it's drilled in relation to your axis, that just doesn't help anyone.
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2013, 10:00:35 PM »
In his words it isn't a dud. He just can't use it on heavy oil but rolls fine on other shots. It doesn't hook as much as other hook monsters. I woudln't consider it a dud but would be a bit disappointed not getting what I was expecting. Still for heavier flatter patterns I would want the pin in the 3.5" to 3" range from my PAP. I'm guessing if he is like many others on average it is closer to 5" from his PAP based off where he said the pin is located.

As for Jhutch769, have your tried resurfacing the ball back to factory finish? The Yeti is a polished ball which requires much less maintenance and will experience slower surface changes vs the Reax. Box is 500 then 1500. May be worth trying to help get the teeth back in the ball.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2013, 10:21:39 PM »
I would almost NEVER recommend a pin to pap that close to leverage...you can create as much bad ball reaction by creating too much flare as too much surface. Surface dictates how the ball slows down...flare can increase how quickly it slows down and too much is NOT better...
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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2013, 11:40:09 PM »
So nothing in the 3" to 4.5" range?
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2013, 07:30:47 AM »
I'll get the tech info from my driller ...I Know the pin to pap is slightly less then 4. My driller has drilled my stuff for years, he knows what I need and laid this ball out according to the conditions I was looking to use it on. He drilled my Revenge, nightmare, terror, manic, iq pearl etc.... for conditions that I want to use each on. All worked just like I expected on the conditions they were meant to be used on.....The Reax does not...its that simple.

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« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2013, 12:27:27 PM »
kid, short answer, yes.