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12XSECH

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REAX = DUD
« on: July 03, 2013, 10:06:37 AM »
When I first got the Reax I thought it was awesome. The house I used it at was med oil...I go to a different house that has a heavier volume of oil and the ball sucks. I tried different surfaces...1000, 2000, 3000 and 4000. I even tried with some polish and that made it worse. And yes, I clean my equipment right after every session. Its a medium oil ball at BEST. Every other ball I have out hooks the reax on heavier oil..the Nightmare, Hellraiser terror, storm manic, revenge.... The reax was drilled to be my "go to" ball in heavy and tournament condition patterns but so far its proven to be a medium oil ball....nothing more.

 

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« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2013, 02:16:51 PM »
I've had balls that were more condition-specific than others, but I wouldn't call them duds.
 
Also, remember that every ball needs to find adequate friction, but finding it too early pretty much kills the late movement on the lane.  There is no easy answer in this forum, because we cannot see your ball reaction.  Is it reading too soon, or never quite reading soon enough?

If you are in a warm climate (extra heat means extra friction) I'd suggest taking it down to 500 sia air (or abralon) and then skip the other steps and put a small amount of Rough Buff on the cover.  It will look slightly shiny, but watch to see if the late movement returns.  If so, then you're good for awhile, or at least until conditions change.  You can also go the other direction if needed.  I suspect that going a little weaker on the cover will help.

Here in Salt Lake we've just finished about 10 days of very warm temps.  Our lane machine didn't change what it was doing, but the effect of the heat was drastic.  Every ball I used was hooking an extra 2-3 boards on average!  I had to really move inside and let the oil help create the skid that was necessary to optimize carry.

Best of luck as you move forward.  If I can be of further help please PM me.  I can usually get these Brunswick covers to hit once I know what you are experiencing.
 
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #32 on: July 05, 2013, 10:49:35 AM »
Wow, lots of speculation. First off without seeing you throw a ball it would be unfair for me to comment on how the ball should perform based on the info regarding the drill pattern.
The Reax is "our" strongest ball, I have a Torrid Elite that out hooks my Reax on every pattern I bowl on, why because my ball speed is about 14 mph and I am rev dominate.
Now on occasion I will bowl on a test pattern that is longer and a bit heavier, the Reax out performs the Elite.
I am disappointed that you feel qualified to label this ball a dud and comment that is sucks. I have never put a ball in the market that claimed to do something it wasn't capable of doing.
I noticed the comment about Long Island, I am from there, there is not a house on "the island" that uses enough oil to claim heavy. I still go to the island many times a year and bowl there quite often, I recently bowl a USBC tournament there and finished 3rd using a polished Yeti, what was amazing was that the bowlers were all complaining how much oil was on the lanes, what my buddies call heavy would be considered medium at best. My point is if you take a strong ball and drill it strong you need a true heavy pattern to see it work, adjusting the surface may be a bandaid at best.
The balls you listed as your heavy oil balls are much weaker than the Reax, again without seeing you throw a ball I can say that a pin 4 inch from the pap is far to strong for what you are bowling on. I have my pins on the Reax at 5+ and it is still too much ball. We have very detailed drill sheets in each box, did you get a chance to look at them, we suggest that your driller measure your track to determine which set of drilling's you should follow, high, medium or low track and without measuring the track you would be guessing.
Lastly and please do not take this the wrong way, in my 26 years of doing this I have seen many posts, complaints etc, I do believe many times ( not necessarily in your case but many times) its the Indian not the arrow, meaning he is not matched up properly so the best thing to do is blame the ball, the lanes or whatever else.
Please go back and check the drill sheets, they are on our website as well and be sure you got what you needed. 

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #33 on: July 05, 2013, 12:18:42 PM »
New Guy (Phil) Thanks for your response. My main issue is this....If the ball is to strong, why is it better then my DV8 stuff on a lighter pattern? As I mentioned I also used it on kegel patterns...Rt 66, winding road, dead mans curve etc,,, Long Island or not these are kegel patterns. I agree the house shots on the island are low volume but some are not. On the heavier or flatter patterns the reax is not what I expected, just like my Nightmare is a dud on a lighter pattern....but again..I didnt get the Nightmare for a low volume shot.  I will get the exact specs from my driller. On the lighter volume house shot that is used in one of my leagues (kegel stone street) The reax was great and carried everything. I just wished it did that on a rt 66, or dead mans curve type of patterns.

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #34 on: July 05, 2013, 12:53:32 PM »
12,

Listen, I feel for you. I've bought several balls that I thought were going to be awesome heavy oil balls, and they haven't quite lived up to my expectations. I've tried 2 out of the 3 in the line, and after what I've seen from the first 2 in the series (which I've drilled 2 of the first one), not going to gamble on the third one. They, too, are ok when they're broken down, but compared to my other equipment, where I can go more left to right with them, these I can't. They don't jump off the spot, and personally, need a surface change out of the box.

Now, bowling on Shark this weekend, and for sure am bringing them. Going to try them on the fresh, and if I don't like the look, I'm probably going to get rid of them. But I know what works for me, and what doesn't. Maybe this weightblock just doesn't roll well for you. Some people work well with certain weightblocks and designs. The balls you listed are all meant to be angular by design, so if you put the same layout on a ball that isn't meant to be angular (Reax isn't meant to be angular, IMO), you're not going to see the same motion. In fact, it may be overflaring and just puking on the fresh, and then once there's friction, it can look different on medium.

Personally, I'm with Phil. I wouldn't drill this ball with anything closer to my pap than 5 inches, and that's even stretching it. If you can't get anybody any information on your game or how the ball is laid out, we're grasping at straws.

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #35 on: July 05, 2013, 02:13:00 PM »
New Guy (Phil) Thanks for your response. My main issue is this....If the ball is to strong, why is it better then my DV8 stuff on a lighter pattern? As I mentioned I also used it on kegel patterns...Rt 66, winding road, dead mans curve etc,,, Long Island or not these are kegel patterns. I agree the house shots on the island are low volume but some are not. On the heavier or flatter patterns the reax is not what I expected, just like my Nightmare is a dud on a lighter pattern....but again..I didnt get the Nightmare for a low volume shot.  I will get the exact specs from my driller. On the lighter volume house shot that is used in one of my leagues (kegel stone street) The reax was great and carried everything. I just wished it did that on a rt 66, or dead mans curve type of patterns.

One more comment, you statement about the kegel patterns is flawed. Here is why, let say we have a brand new glass table top and apply 10 units of oil and measure the friction, then apply 10 units of oil to a cement slab, will the friction read the same, we applied the same amount of oil? . there is not a new surface on long island and the friction will always be higher regardless of the patterns intention. Weaker balls with stronger patterns and strong balls with weaker drill patterns have always been the rule for the island.

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #36 on: July 05, 2013, 02:15:13 PM »
12,

Now, bowling on Shark this weekend, and for sure am bringing them. Going to try them on the fresh, and if I don't like the look, I'm probably going to get rid of them.

Quick sidebar.  Don't load up on (only) heavy oil balls for Shark.  Last year I never threw any of my strong stuff on it, and the first time I saw it this year I used a polished Nuts Pearl and wish I had something weaker (at least cleaner up front) by the 4th game.  My experience is only PBA leagues; if you're bowling a regional or something where the machines are capable of putting out heavier volumes, you might need stronger equipment.

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #37 on: July 05, 2013, 03:19:07 PM »
Newguy...
If I was to get a reax pearl and used it on Long Island patterns / kegel...what would be a "weak" pattern for that ball for a bowler with a low/med track...16 - 17 mph etc....tweener. I know you dont have my axis tilt and all the specs but in general....a negative pin placement? Pin up? Down? GC kicked out etc??? Low angles? The drill sheets dont say "weak" drill pattern.
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2013, 04:01:26 PM »
12,

Now, bowling on Shark this weekend, and for sure am bringing them. Going to try them on the fresh, and if I don't like the look, I'm probably going to get rid of them.

Quick sidebar.  Don't load up on (only) heavy oil balls for Shark.  Last year I never threw any of my strong stuff on it, and the first time I saw it this year I used a polished Nuts Pearl and wish I had something weaker (at least cleaner up front) by the 4th game.  My experience is only PBA leagues; if you're bowling a regional or something where the machines are capable of putting out heavier volumes, you might need stronger equipment.

Not to create a sidebar, but I am also going in there with some lowend stuff, in case I have to move back right.

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2013, 04:53:53 PM »
Newguy...
If I was to get a reax pearl and used it on Long Island patterns / kegel...what would be a "weak" pattern for that ball for a bowler with a low/med track...16 - 17 mph etc....tweener. I know you dont have my axis tilt and all the specs but in general....a negative pin placement? Pin up? Down? GC kicked out etc??? Low angles? The drill sheets dont say "weak" drill pattern.
Thanks

A control pattern will start up mid lane, an angular drilling would be best on most house shots and would give you the recovery down the lane, you can bite off as much of the top hat you are comfortable with and feed it to the dry. Be careful it may jump too hard off the spot. A pin 5 inch from your pap will store energy and go harder down the lane. you can tame it down with a bite of surface. hope this helps.

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #40 on: July 06, 2013, 10:19:20 AM »
I am surprised to hear the comments about the Reax. I drilled mine 70x3-3/8x30 and had to polish it to get it down lane. The cover was just too strong @ out of box. I have used mine on many Kegel Sport and Challenge patterns as well as other various patterns. It was my savior at States this year. It handled the longer patterns with ease and have me an area of miss that many of my other stuff struggled. Even with the small coat of polish, I have issues kicking out the corners on our house shot. The ball is great for the fresh but if I'm slow to move into more head oil, the ball loses energy. Even though its a 42 foot pattern, the cover is just that strong. IMO the Reax is a great piece and I can't wait for the pearl. I could have fun with 2 solid and 2 pearl Reax in my bag.
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2013, 12:09:35 PM »
ANYBODY, that labels ANY ball a dud, has no tact. To blatantly label ANY ball a dud, is to patently paint the entire production of that model as faulty and useless.

 Many of the users here understand that he doesn't mean that model is a total failure, but there are many others who would merely read the op's post and leave it at that, to go on thinking that the REAX was a flop.

 PLEASE people, if you like a ball, then say so. If you DIS-like a ball, then say so. But don't come on here making broad claims and accusations about the qualities or abilities of ANY ball based on your limited experience with it. There are still many who pop in here to check out a balls rep before they buy, and statements like this can keep them from getting a ball that might work great for THEM.

 Maybe the ball just didn't work for you. God knows the Lev-RG didn't work for me AT ALL, but that doesn't mean it was a dud or a flop, just that it didn't match up to me at all. Worked great for some guys, that's why I got one in the first place, just didn't work for me. And I said so in my review. Didn't knock the ball, just said it didn't work for me.

12XSECH, you sound like a reasonably intelligent guy, so I'm pretty sure you get what I am saying. I really don't understand why someone with as much supposed knowledge and experience as you claim would come here and make a blanket statement about a ball that obviously works for some people, just doesn't seem to for you. If it works for ANYBODY, then it cannot be labeled in a blanket statement as a dud.
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2013, 06:26:04 PM »
Jugg,
I also said the ball was great on a lighter pattern where my DV8 stuff was terrible. However, I didnt get it for the lighter volume conditions...FOR ME PEOPLE.....the reax was a dud on heavier patterns and several kegel patterns...at different houses. I used the reax on 4 different kegel patterns at 4 different houses with the same bad result. WITH THAT BEING SAID....When my fall league starts up again and they put out the Stone Street pattern (basically a house shot) it will be the first ball I take out. Its gonna replace my Storm Manic for that condition. The Nightmare, hellraiser and Revenge (unless all polished up) dont work great there...a lot of 10 pins.

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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #43 on: July 08, 2013, 07:26:59 PM »
The Tombstone was a dud...
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Re: REAX = DUD
« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2013, 08:48:03 PM »
Werewolf too. Too much core for cover
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2013, 09:00:50 PM »
Tombstone should have been placed under one
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