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12XSECH

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Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« on: May 19, 2013, 06:56:02 PM »
Tournament today on the dead mans curve pattern. First practice shot with Reax I tried straight up the 5 board (I knew this was out of bounds) ball went straight for the 10 pin like a plastic ball would. I ended that test real quick and moved in...2nd arrow...nothing...The only playable shot was between 2nd and 3rd arrow with slower then normal speeds. By game 2 the pattern opened up a bit and was able to get decent reaction, 3rd game the ball worked better and was able to play up 10. "OIL MONSTER"? Im not so sure about. On the house shot in my league the ball was a beast, on the dead mans curve pattern....It was OK....but to be fair nobody, no ball had a great reaction in game one.

 

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2013, 08:00:25 PM »
Not sure what to say, but I ran into a similar situation once with my Defiant.  None of the balls anyone was using at this specific house looked good in the 1st game.  2nd game, pattern opened up a little bit, and then 3rd game even a little more. 

In our case, it turned out that the pair was not stripped/reoiled properly.  Instead, we had double the volume of oil than what we were supposed to have. 
Now everything I've heard is that the Reax is supposed to be a really strong piece.  Not sure if bad lane maintenance had anything to do with it.  But, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities in my opinion.

The only other possibility I can think of is maybe the Reax was starting to burn up too much in the mids.
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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2013, 08:15:30 PM »
Let me ask, did any other ball move at your original line? Ive been pissed a few times about how my new hook monster doesnt move, then go back to go to another ball to see it be as straight as an arrow. Reax for me was not a backend monster like the videos, but it hooked alot when nothing else did. I still have room for a hole, but I cant just drill one before I get more games on it. I consider it a very heavy oil ball.

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2013, 09:16:17 PM »
Welcome to a lefties world for soaked tournament conditions.  What we call FTL.

Always softening up the speed and remembering....there are really no oil balls if they want to soak. 

Remember, Soak, point and float.  Remember if you were on the left a condition like you described can last 8 or more games if alone!  But they are playable!

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2013, 09:25:27 PM »
I switched to my nightmare for a few shots in game two. Decent reaction but nothing great. I was determined to get the reax to work so i went back to it. And it was ok. . .  The deadmans curve has more out of bounds then most other patterns and this was my first time on that pattern. I had the nightmare at 2000 and the reax in OOB. It is possible it was burning up but during league play on kegel stone street (modified, more oil volume) it didnt have that problem.

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2013, 09:41:13 PM »
I wish I could comment on named patterns, I havent done anything other than THS in 3 years. All I can say is that my Friday house was super inconsistent, but generally higher volume. I had an amazing look all year with a Slant Hybrid, a Slant HD, and DV8 Marauder. Marauder hooked way too much at the other house, which I struggled all year with. I had an average reversal between the 2. The Reax was way more ball than the others, and Im sure the surface played a role. Ive got very low tilt, can vary rotation, medium speed and revs. I think my tilt is what killed the backend. High end covers worked Friday, weak covers were better on Mondays.

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2013, 11:46:44 PM »
There are patterns out there that can make a $200 oil monster into a plastic ball OOB. Dead Man's Curve is a lot of oil(especially the 50ml version), 43 ft and more OOB than usual sport patterns. Playing the ball up 5 with the OOB surface wasn't very smart to begin with unless you have a ton of hand, (it's called an Out Of Bounds for a reason). If you apply more surface to the ball on that pattern, I'm pretty sure that the ball will have a much better reaction than you did. 500, 1500 ain't gonna get it on dead mans curve. You would need something like 800 or lower and even then you wouldn't be able to cover boards.

Using the rule of -31, your exit point for that pattern should have been somewhee around 12 maybe further in and Mo's method would keep your exit point at 11 looking at the bar graph of the pattern. Try the surface adjustment first, that should allow you to have a better reaction.
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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2013, 07:41:00 AM »
I'm bowling on a 48 foot flat pattern, and wouldn't expect to be able to play wherever I want with my most hooking ball. I would have played the lanes and what they give me. The Reax hooks a ton, but you can't play the lanes wrong.

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2013, 07:44:27 AM »
James...I said I tried up the 5 board on first practice shot,,,,to see what happened. I didnt play there...I also said i know its out of bounds. My shot ended up being 3rd arrow or 2 boards to the right...Had decent reaction but that was about it. Thursday Night I use it again on Kegel modified Stone Street.. Will have another look at it.

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2013, 08:11:50 AM »
James...I said I tried up the 5 board on first practice shot,,,,to see what happened. I didnt play there...I also said i know its out of bounds. My shot ended up being 3rd arrow or 2 boards to the right...Had decent reaction but that was about it. Thursday Night I use it again on Kegel modified Stone Street.. Will have another look at it.

I figured your were in practice when you tried up 5. If it sounded like I was bashing, my apologies. All I'm saying is, you may want to apply more surface to play the tighter patterns. Whenever I use mine and I know what the sport pattern is, I apply a lower grit surface than box dependant on the amount of units on the lanes. If its just a heavy THS then I'll leave it at box. As an old timer told me, "Until they make a ball with cleats, no ball can hook through oil."
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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2013, 10:51:14 AM »
re Cleats   Well said Righty! 

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2013, 10:55:05 AM »
Righty,

Ever seen how big TEC particles were? La Nina? That ball had WHISKERS! Closest thing to cleats that I have ever seen!

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2013, 11:28:51 AM »
Lol! Yea, Doom had a Chaos and an El Nino. But if I apply 45 ft, 1:1 from 1 board to 1 board and no buffer and a high number of units, you'll have a pretty expensive plastic ball in your hands. And yes you are right. Closet thing to cleats you could get. But everyone wants back end so covers have to go 60 ft before they hook. I miss balls like those.
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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2013, 11:48:37 AM »
Personally, the big particle balls are just fine being dead. Riptide, Tombstone, La Nina, Trauma Response, Chaos... all of them!

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Re: Reax on Kegel dead mans curve
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 07:12:10 AM »
Righty,

Where is there a link to Mo's method for playing patterns.

I'm still sort of skickering.  Oh to be a righty on heavy oil.  Not much knowledge needed as the shot opens up so quick.

Of course, oh yes to be a lefty on a league top hat blend, I know as the shot stays so static!

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