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Cool Rocking Daddy

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What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« on: January 19, 2015, 03:42:20 PM »
Two of my team mates have just gotten this ball and make my Yeti untamed look like a Urethane ball.  Will the Unleashed compete?
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2015, 12:40:11 PM »
Quote from: BrunsNick on January 21, 2015, 12:38:09 PM
Just pointing out that Mastermind and Mastermind Genius were $134.95 for a high performance ball, nearly 15-20% less than the others.

I also remember the Alpha Max being $50 off a few years back.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2015, 12:48:33 PM »
If you want Brunswick stuff cheap, just wait until it's discontinued. It will show up on Ebay at fire sale prices.

It's somewhat rare to see the Utah products go cheap as most of their stuff will actually sell for more than the original price when the distributors no longer have it in stock. The Invasion and VG Nano Pearl were temporary exceptions, but now those same balls will sell for upwards of $200+
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2015, 04:52:57 PM »
Quote from: HankScorpio on January 21, 2015, 12:38:53 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on January 21, 2015, 03:20:53 AM
Many manufactures give back via programs. Welcome to big business.

Directly to the consumer? I can't remember seeing any other rebates. Closest i can think of is AMF offering reduced prices to the first 100 buyers. Not impossible that i missed some, but show your work.
he said that they give back via pro shop programs. That is when I mentioned that all manufacturers do this. As for the rebates, he mentioned 4 balls that were offered with one.

Bruns, while the Mastermind series is cheaper, the Fortera's aren't. They are within 10 bucks my cost when compared to a Jackal. The Guru and Thug Unruly are within 3 bucks. So, thank you for passing on a Lincoln.
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kidlost2000

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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #34 on: January 21, 2015, 09:40:05 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on January 21, 2015, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: HankScorpio on January 21, 2015, 12:38:53 PM
Quote from: tkkshop on January 21, 2015, 03:20:53 AM
Many manufactures give back via programs. Welcome to big business.

Directly to the consumer? I can't remember seeing any other rebates. Closest i can think of is AMF offering reduced prices to the first 100 buyers. Not impossible that i missed some, but show your work.
he said that they give back via pro shop programs. That is when I mentioned that all manufacturers do this. As for the rebates, he mentioned 4 balls that were offered with one.

Bruns, while the Mastermind series is cheaper, the Fortera's aren't. They are within 10 bucks my cost when compared to a Jackal. The Guru and Thug Unruly are within 3 bucks. So, thank you for passing on a Lincoln.

tkkshop are you referring to proshop cost or online cost to consumers? Did you just say the products(Brunswick) your cost were still cheaper as well?
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kidlost2000

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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2015, 09:48:35 PM »
Or are you saying that because they moved to Mexico it should be even cheaper?

I think that is what I got after re-reading back further.
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tkkshop

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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2015, 09:52:01 PM »
I am referring to my shop cost from the distributor. And yes, they should be more than 3 to 8 dollars cheaper after the move. Especially after all of the horror stories about hollow pins and filler voids from other shops.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2015, 09:59:36 PM »
Only issues ive experienced was early on with cgs being hard to pick out. Yet to see much else posted online otherwise.

With the rebates on the Exiles and other new releases the options are there. I get what you are saying.
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tkkshop

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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2015, 11:49:10 PM »
Thanks for the offer. I will politely decline after double checking on who my area Rep is. I sold 2 Brunswick balls in 2014, for that very reason. Thanks for the insight from your end and we shall hopefully chat again in the near future.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2015, 04:23:06 AM »
Wait. Maybe I'm missing something. Comparing  Skid to a Yeti Unleashed?

I get it that both have big cores, low RGs and high differentials. But one's asymmetric and the other is a symmetric. One has a much stronger cover. One's a pearl. The other's a solid (matte , 2000).

Quite honestly, I'm thinking you should see different motions. The Unleashed should start earlier while the Skid should go a foot or so longer. Kind of comparing apples to grapefruit. But that's my thinking.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2015, 11:07:32 AM »
Quote from: spencerwatts on January 24, 2015, 04:23:06 AM
Wait. Maybe I'm missing something. Comparing  Skid to a Yeti Untamed?

I get it that both have big cores, low RGs and high differentials. But one's asymmetric and the other is a symmetric. One has a much stronger cover. One's a pearl. The other's a solid (polished finish, at that).

Yeah you're missing something.  Read the original post.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2015, 10:24:50 AM »
Quote from: Jesse James on January 20, 2015, 04:19:41 PM
This is odd to me.....that you guys keep saying Mo doesn't like hockey stick reactions, and yet I have two friends with the Yeti Unleashed, and both of their ball reactions are that very SAME hockey stick look!

Guys you keep saying Mo doesn't like this or doesn't like that. Mo is a contracted technical advisor. He is not the decision maker regarding the targeted performance. We, the company, give Mo direction, than WE decide if it has met the criteria, if so than WE proceed if not than WE make the necessary changes. We do have hockey stick reaction in the line because that is what we where missing.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2015, 10:45:55 AM »
Quote from: tkkshop on January 21, 2015, 12:27:29 AM
Quote from: BMFOBR on January 21, 2015, 12:03:59 AM
In today's global economy that is amazing
Considering they are the only major bowling ball manufacturer that is made outside of the US, it's actually not unreal. They moved to Mexico to cut costs, no? Meanwhile their equipment rivals every other manufacturers price barring Storm, who can charge what they want because it will sale. So if we were getting high end equipment for a substantial difference, then I would understand. But since we don't, I chalk it up as them wanting to make more money as opposed to save us more, as they claim.

The Guru is at least $10-$15 cheaper than any Storm, Motive and Hammer high end ball. As a matter of fact we are cheaper across nearly all the price points. Not sure where the info is coming from. Our launch packages consist of 2 ball packs at a significant discount. The part you are missing is we do not sell direct, so the savings is not always passed on to the consumer.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2015, 11:02:07 AM »
Phil obviously is spot on.  That being said, any company that moves manufacturing outside of the US is doing so to cut costs and guess what, make more money.  Nobody is in business to lose money and you don't move manufacturing to make the same margins you could have made by staying in the US. 

Because of having the opportunity to work with Mo when he stops in town for a day over the winter the last two years, and the results he has given me, I will support the Radical (and Brunswick) brand.  The Guru is an amazing ball!  Every time I throw it, it amazes me that a solid and sanded covered ball can get that kind of length and recovery.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2015, 03:46:48 PM »
The point was, nobody else has had to move to make money. And as for the prices of balls from distributors, the guru is 3 bucks cheaper than the Jackal and the same price as the Mad Antics, the 16 series Track balls, and 20 more than the Widow Series.
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Re: What Radical piece will compare to Hyper Cell Skid
« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2015, 05:04:21 PM »
Quote from: tkkshop on January 28, 2015, 03:46:48 PM
The point was, nobody else has had to move to make money. And as for the prices of balls from distributors, the guru is 3 bucks cheaper than the Jackal and the same price as the Mad Antics, the 16 series Track balls, and 20 more than the Widow Series.

WOW! You are right they just go out of business or sell to another company, Remember I was at Columbia when we sold all the brands. I can name several other companies that had issues or are having issues or that went out of business.
Part 2 the prices you are quoting do not match what is posted on Ballreivews.com
Guru 149.95
Crux 164.95
Bad ass 164.95
Jackal 159.95
Track 910 a 164.95
The track series you mention are upper mid as is the Widow series. Similar to the Yeti series.
The Guru fall under the hi performance category as reported to the industry for purposes of tracking total domestic ball sales. These are the facts and they are undisputed!!!
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