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Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« on: January 11, 2015, 01:39:17 PM »
I've been using my Aura Paranormal lately on a THS with great results, even when it is supposed to be a heavy oil ball it has been a great ball on THS when my Brunswick Wicked Siege or my Sigma Sting are not enough. However, I started thinking about getting a new ball with similar specs/reaction for when I decide to retire my Aura Paranormal. Motiv is a brand that I started using this last year and I liked so far, but I'm also interested in trying Radical... So, which balls better compares to the Aura Paranormal?

By the way, I'm looking that the new ball could be used on a long pattern and with more oil than a THS, since I'm planning to bowl at the USBC Open @ El Paso this year.

Any help would be truly appreciated! 
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2015, 09:31:47 AM »
Exactly.  They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls.  If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much.  The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well.  However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point.  It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls.  All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well. 

Quote from: L3nn0n on January 11, 2015, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: tuckinfenpin on January 11, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Go to the misc postings.... there is a guru comparision vs others. I think its called perception vs reality or something like that. If you are looking for pure hook today get the guru.

I watched the video and it is indeed impressive! But for example when the robot throws the Jackal and it leaves a 10 pin, would't moving a little bit to the right fix the problem? I mean, I know that the video shows how the Guru is the strongest/more hook of all, but that doesn't necessarily means that the Guru is better than the Jackal IMO.

Still, leaning towards the Guru, but I haven't heard of someone who owns the Jackal to know their opinion.
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2015, 10:06:16 AM »
Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
Exactly.  They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls.  If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much.  The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well.  However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point.  It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls.  All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well. 

Quote from: L3nn0n on January 11, 2015, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: tuckinfenpin on January 11, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Go to the misc postings.... there is a guru comparision vs others. I think its called perception vs reality or something like that. If you are looking for pure hook today get the guru.

I watched the video and it is indeed impressive! But for example when the robot throws the Jackal and it leaves a 10 pin, would't moving a little bit to the right fix the problem? I mean, I know that the video shows how the Guru is the strongest/more hook of all, but that doesn't necessarily means that the Guru is better than the Jackal IMO.

Still, leaning towards the Guru, but I haven't heard of someone who owns the Jackal to know their opinion.

That's what I was thinking! And since I usually throw my ball between the first and second arrow, I was thinking that maybe the Guru will hook eariler and it will hook too much for me OOB. I know that I can change the surface to fix that but you get the idea right? The Guru seems to be a great ball for a lot of bowlers out there, but for me being a down and in bowler I'm not sure! That's why there are so many options in the market right now, the slightest difference between two balls can make that ball either your favorite or your worst investment! The thing is I'm not sure about getting the Guru anymore!
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2015, 10:32:59 AM »
If you're not sure about the Guru, the Jackal also may not be that great of an option, it also hooks quite a bit.  I might actually drop down a line or two to the Revolt or Revolt Vengeance (which both still might be too much ball) or the Score or Yeti Unleashed. 
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2015, 10:53:32 AM »
L3nnOn,

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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2015, 11:50:59 AM »
Sorry to go off-topic here, but I have to disagree with what you wrote here.

Radical, as I saw it, didn't put out a "perfect shot" for the Guru. They put out a shot. They then showed that most of the other balls considered to be "hooking" balls by their compeition, actually hook less then the Guru with the Throwbot making sure every shot is the same. They aren't sugercoating anything. Between the two videos they have made, they have shown balls that strike. They have shown balls that would work, but those balls usually hooked earlier and didn't produce the same reaction shape of the Guru. Almost any "hooking" ball can be made to work on true heavy oil. Between the drill, the surface, and moving your feet. But Radical is showing that if you want the biggest "Engine" underneath you at the starting line, go with the Guru, then tweak it as needed to fit your game and your style.



Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
Exactly.  They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls.  If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much.  The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well.  However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point.  It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls.  All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well. 
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2015, 11:52:11 AM »
Quote from: L3nn0n on January 12, 2015, 10:06:16 AM
Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
Exactly.  They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls.  If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much.  The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well.  However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point.  It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls.  All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well. 

Quote from: L3nn0n on January 11, 2015, 11:16:48 PM
Quote from: tuckinfenpin on January 11, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Go to the misc postings.... there is a guru comparision vs others. I think its called perception vs reality or something like that. If you are looking for pure hook today get the guru.

I watched the video and it is indeed impressive! But for example when the robot throws the Jackal and it leaves a 10 pin, would't moving a little bit to the right fix the problem? I mean, I know that the video shows how the Guru is the strongest/more hook of all, but that doesn't necessarily means that the Guru is better than the Jackal IMO.

Still, leaning towards the Guru, but I haven't heard of someone who owns the Jackal to know their opinion.

That's what I was thinking! And since I usually throw my ball between the first and second arrow, I was thinking that maybe the Guru will hook eariler and it will hook too much for me OOB. I know that I can change the surface to fix that but you get the idea right? The Guru seems to be a great ball for a lot of bowlers out there, but for me being a down and in bowler I'm not sure! That's why there are so many options in the market right now, the slightest difference between two balls can make that ball either your favorite or your worst investment! The thing is I'm not sure about getting the Guru anymore!

You were very sure you wanted lots of hook and a ball for heavy oil, sport patterns and Nationals. One ball doesn't do everything. It can be more useful if surface adjustments or lines are made. If you want to replace the AP for your everyday use then the Score may be your better Radical bet. For oiler conditions it can still be fine if adjusting the surface.

You kinda go back and forth a lot on the two.
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2015, 01:28:15 PM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on January 12, 2015, 11:52:11 AM
You were very sure you wanted lots of hook and a ball for heavy oil, sport patterns and Nationals. One ball doesn't do everything. It can be more useful if surface adjustments or lines are made. If you want to replace the AP for your everyday use then the Score may be your better Radical bet. For oiler conditions it can still be fine if adjusting the surface.

You kinda go back and forth a lot on the two.

Yeah, because I was using my AP for tournaments and sport patterns, but sometimes I felt that it was lacking of some hooking/power. that's why I'm looking for something stronger for nationals, tournaments, etc. but at the same time I want to use that ball every now and then for leagues and for THS, I don't want to buy a ball that I'm gonna use 3 or 4 times in a year, you know what I mean? I do want a strong ball with lots of hook, but I'm not sure if a Guru would fit my game since it looks too strong for me, I want something strong, but something that suits my game, I'm a regular speed bowler, regular revs, left handed, down and in kind of bowler, my A game is aiming between the first and second arrow (7th, 8th board) and watching the Guru videos makes me wonder if that ball would be too strong for me... I don't know if I explanied myself, (my english is terrible, I apologize for that) I just don't want to buy certain ball and then realize after 5 or 10 games that I made a bad choice.
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2015, 01:32:00 PM »
Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 10:32:59 AM
If you're not sure about the Guru, the Jackal also may not be that great of an option, it also hooks quite a bit.  I might actually drop down a line or two to the Revolt or Revolt Vengeance (which both still might be too much ball) or the Score or Yeti Unleashed.

I thought about that, but having already an Aura Paranormal, it wouldn't be buying more of the same if I get the Revolt or the Revolt Vengeance? Those balls are close to what the Aura Paranormal is, isn't it?
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2015, 01:38:08 PM »
Quote from: Jorge300 on January 12, 2015, 11:50:59 AM
Sorry to go off-topic here, but I have to disagree with what you wrote here.

Radical, as I saw it, didn't put out a "perfect shot" for the Guru. They put out a shot. They then showed that most of the other balls considered to be "hooking" balls by their compeition, actually hook less then the Guru with the Throwbot making sure every shot is the same. They aren't sugercoating anything. Between the two videos they have made, they have shown balls that strike. They have shown balls that would work, but those balls usually hooked earlier and didn't produce the same reaction shape of the Guru. Almost any "hooking" ball can be made to work on true heavy oil. Between the drill, the surface, and moving your feet. But Radical is showing that if you want the biggest "Engine" underneath you at the starting line, go with the Guru, then tweak it as needed to fit your game and your style.

I know what you mean, Radical is showing that if you want the best hooking ball available on the market, the Guru is the ball to go, right? Then it'll depend on you how you drill it, how you put the surface and how you throw the ball so it can be a hooking monster or a less angular ball, right?
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2015, 01:40:59 PM »
A quote from your original post:

However, I started thinking about getting a new ball with similar specs/reaction for when I decide to retire my Aura Paranormal. Motiv is a brand that I started using this last year and I liked so far, but I'm also interested in trying Radical... So, which balls better compares to the Aura Paranormal?

I thought getting a ball similar to the Aura was the point to begin with?

Quote from: L3nn0n on January 12, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 10:32:59 AM
If you're not sure about the Guru, the Jackal also may not be that great of an option, it also hooks quite a bit.  I might actually drop down a line or two to the Revolt or Revolt Vengeance (which both still might be too much ball) or the Score or Yeti Unleashed.

I thought about that, but having already an Aura Paranormal, it wouldn't be buying more of the same if I get the Revolt or the Revolt Vengeance? Those balls are close to what the Aura Paranormal is, isn't it?
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2015, 01:47:31 PM »
They put out a shot that fit what the Guru was designed for, which in my mind is the "perfect shot" for any ball, the shot it was designed to conquer.  They're showing that on the conditions it was designed for, it will outperform similar offerings from any other company.  However, given different perspectives for different balls, the Crux will outperform any other ball on the shot it was designed for, likewise with just about any other ball you want to select.  This is all also at box finish. 

What I think they're intending to show though is that for a ball that hooks this much, it does so with more length and a stronger backend motion than is currently available on the market.  This shot shape specifically I don't believe has been achieved before with a ball that hooks this much, and I think that's what they were trying to show.  If you line up based on any of those other balls striking, the Guru will then overhook. 

Quote from: Jorge300 on January 12, 2015, 11:50:59 AM
Sorry to go off-topic here, but I have to disagree with what you wrote here.

Radical, as I saw it, didn't put out a "perfect shot" for the Guru. They put out a shot. They then showed that most of the other balls considered to be "hooking" balls by their compeition, actually hook less then the Guru with the Throwbot making sure every shot is the same. They aren't sugercoating anything. Between the two videos they have made, they have shown balls that strike. They have shown balls that would work, but those balls usually hooked earlier and didn't produce the same reaction shape of the Guru. Almost any "hooking" ball can be made to work on true heavy oil. Between the drill, the surface, and moving your feet. But Radical is showing that if you want the biggest "Engine" underneath you at the starting line, go with the Guru, then tweak it as needed to fit your game and your style.



Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
Exactly.  They put out the perfect shot for the Guru, and then basically showed that it reacts differently than other balls.  If you lined up based on the Jackal, then all the sudden the Guru would be early and hook too much.  The Guru looked pretty bad for Hess during the PBA Scorpion Championship, it hit flat and didn't turn the corner well.  However, it's still a really good ball . . and they do have a point.  It goes longer, hooks more, and has more of a defined breakpoint than other big hooking balls.  All those attributes aren't supposed to go together that well. 
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2015, 02:03:22 PM »
Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 01:40:59 PM
A quote from your original post:

However, I started thinking about getting a new ball with similar specs/reaction for when I decide to retire my Aura Paranormal. Motiv is a brand that I started using this last year and I liked so far, but I'm also interested in trying Radical... So, which balls better compares to the Aura Paranormal?

I thought getting a ball similar to the Aura was the point to begin with?

Quote from: L3nn0n on January 12, 2015, 01:32:00 PM
Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 10:32:59 AM
If you're not sure about the Guru, the Jackal also may not be that great of an option, it also hooks quite a bit.  I might actually drop down a line or two to the Revolt or Revolt Vengeance (which both still might be too much ball) or the Score or Yeti Unleashed.

I thought about that, but having already an Aura Paranormal, it wouldn't be buying more of the same if I get the Revolt or the Revolt Vengeance? Those balls are close to what the Aura Paranormal is, isn't it?

Yes, I know I started with that, but I since I said it before, sometimes the AP is not enough for when I have bowled in a sport pattern or when the lanes are with heavy oil, I'm looking for something that have the same kind of reaction and specs, but designed for heavier conditions. I'm sorry if I didn't explained myself. As I said it before, my english sucks! hehe  :-X
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2015, 02:12:56 PM »
Your English seems better then mine or most. If you keep your AP in good condition then you have a ball for most everything and a Guru or whatever for the heavier oil, flatter patterns.
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2015, 02:16:48 PM »
Yeah your English is a lot better than most people that speak it as a first language . .
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Re: Which Radical Ball and which Motiv Ball better compares to the Aura Paranormal?
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2015, 02:27:16 PM »
Quote from: ITZPS on January 12, 2015, 02:16:48 PM
Yeah your English is a lot better than most people that speak it as a first language . .
Quote from: kidlost2000 on January 12, 2015, 02:12:56 PM
Your English seems better then mine or most. If you keep your AP in good condition then you have a ball for most everything and a Guru or whatever for the heavier oil, flatter patterns.

lol! Thanks! I'm always trying to improve the way I speak/write in english, so I'll take the compliment!

Ok, so to set the record straight, The Aura Paranomal would be great for almost everything, but if I want a ball for tournaments, heavier patterns, nationals, etc, I should get something stronger, like a Guru, Jackal, Covert Revolt Vengeance, or something like that, correct? Because as I said it before and in my previous experience, sometimes the AP is not enough for when I'm bowling on heavy oil, even it is supposed to be designed for medium/heavy oil.

Sorry if I look a little confused here, but I'm trying to learn about bowling, balls, layouts, patterns, etc, that sometimes it is a little overwhelming!
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