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Mystic
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
No need for smoke and mirrors here! The new Mystic fuses together the single density symmetrical HeliosTM core, with an extremely adaptable Ultimate GripTM Pearl Particle coverstock.

The HeliosTM core can be found in other winners such as the HorizonTM & the Horizon SolidTM. This ultra low RG core with medium to high differential has been a rising star in the Roto Grip product line. These value priced balls have become the new benchmark equipment from Roto Grip, with the MysticTM rounding off this Trilogy.

The Ultimate GripTM features a 2% polished Pearl Particle coverstock. The Particle gives this ball the traction it needs coming off the oil pattern to give you a strong, but yet controllable backend reaction.

The delivery will shock, and mystify all!



Specifications


Factory Finish  2000 Polished  
Track Flare Potential  5 Inches  
Lane Condition  Medium - Heavy Oil  
Cover Stock  Ultimate Griptm Pearl Particle  
Weight Block  Heliostm Core  
Color  Indigo / Silver  
D-Scale  75 -78  
Available Weights  10 -16 Pounds




Core Dynamics


WEIGHTS  RG  DIFFERENTIAL  
16 lb.  2.46 (Low)  .048 (High)  
15 lb.  2.47 (Low)  .052 (High)  
14 lb.  2.49 (Low)  .051 (High)  
12-13 lb.  2.60 (High)  .032 (Med)  
10-11 lb.  2.67 (High)  .018 (low)  


 

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Re: Mystic
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2007, 03:04:13 AM »
:UPDATE:

After throwing the Mystic on a variety of sport and PBA conditions, and getting a good amount of games worked into it, I'm going to post my full review of this ball.

ROTO-GRIP MYSTIC
Layout: Pin roughly 5" from PAP, no X-hole. Cover left in OOB surface of 2000 grit + polish.

Bowler: Left-handed, Speed at roughly 15-16 MPH, rev-rate approximately at 250-275 RPM (Very rough estimate.)

Synthetic Lane Surface.

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Condition #1: PBA Pattern - Cheetah.

Standing with right foot on 31, swinging the ball from 17 out to about the 3 board. The Mystic seemed to excel here, better than most other patterns. I think the reason being, is since the Cheetah is only 35 feet in length, the Mystic hit friction a lot earlier, but with the angle I was playing, it was smoother off of the breakpoint, which is what I crave on shorter patterns. I was able to play that wide angle I like to play on short patterns, but without worrying about the ball checking up high on me unless it was a personal error (Tug to the right, bad release, etc). When I had to move further outside and play a bit more direct, I started to fluff the ball from the 10 board, out to about the 5, with my right foot ending on the 23 board or so. When coming up the back, you see the ball suffer in carry as it wants to pick up even earlier, and quits on me in the back-end of the lane. When I was "playing the wheel" with it, I saw a more pronounced, yet controlled move, with better pin carry, thus better scores/results.

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Condition #2: PBA Pattern - Scorpion

This pattern was a fun one to play on. 41 feet in length, a lot of head oil. We had more left-handers (three) than right handers (2) this week, so I was going to see a fair amount of transition on my side. I started out standing at the 20 board, playing straight up the 8 board, coming up the back of the ball more, trying not to let it go past the breakpoint. After bowling on Cheetah and watching this thing be a great benchmark ball, this was a bit of a change of pace. An extra 6 feet of length made a world of difference in ball reaction. The Mystic got down the lane a lot longer than expected, but still recovered. It was my best bet of the night to be honest, after two games with my Total Inferno, pin 3 3/8" from axis, 2000 grit no polish. The lane got a nice line burning up anywhere from the 8 board to the 12, thanks to another stroker playing my area with his Total Inferno, at original Rough Buff finish. By the final game, game #6, I was ending at the 32 board, playing 17-10, coming around the ball a bit more, pretty much my normal release. This pattern played well for it, but I would've been better suited with something I could've kept playing straighter with, like a weaker solid reactive.

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Condition #3: 44 Foot Sport Shot.

I bowled on this during a GM-JBT tournament. This pattern played pretty well for it I suppose. I was playing 18-13 with the Mystic for a good game or two, with my feet ending on around 33. Carry was hard to come by the first two games. I started fidgeting with my release and quit turning it so much so I could play tighter inside, and that did the trick for carry. The problem I see with this ball is trying to force it to hit it's breakpoint and react accordingly. You'd be better off with something stronger, non-pearlized for longer conditions like this.

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Overall, this ball really excels on medium length patterns, which is what the rep at the Open House said I should get it for, Tyler Jensen. I told him what I was looking for and after throwing the Mystic and pretty much falling in love with it, I decided to get me one and have it punched up fairly similar to the layout on the ball I threw that day before. Great ball produced by Roto-Grip. Fairly versatile, just know when to hold 'em (short-medium patterns), and know when to fold 'em (longer patterns where duller equipment can make the move a little more fluently).
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Colton Coan - Sport Bound for 07-08.




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(PBA) Brunswick Ultimate Inferno
Brunswick Total Inferno
Roto-Grip Mystic
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Track Slash
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Re: Mystic
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2007, 03:06:49 AM »
Absolutely another great ball from Roto-Grip.

Drilled 4inch pin to PAP, Pin under ring and NM-Mass Bias to the right of the thumb *Strong*. Knocked off the 2000 Polish box finish and took it to the grey scotch brite.. Ball is incredibly smooth. I am able to either play up the boards without a huge snap through the face, or even stand 30, play 15 board. Although, ball does somewhat read carry down, it does not recover enough. Better for medium - heavy lanes, but definitely not swing shot on Heavy. After being upset with the Horizon, this ball really came through for me.

Will definitely be the first ball out of the bag now on Medium oil synthetic lanes.

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Re: Mystic
« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2007, 06:37:38 AM »
This ball will really turn a hard corner on a house pattern and some PBA patterns as well. I love the look of the motion in the midlane especially. Not squirty at all as long as you’re not trying to match it up on a slush pile of oil. This ball has a great midlane move with the same fast revving motion of the horizons. Strong arcing hook with a 4.5 x 4 layout.
Takes the pins out like a high dollar ball. Very versatile. May not quite be enough ball on heavier patterns without some surface adjustments. Can't really complain at all. Probably one of the best pearl particles on the market.

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Re: Mystic
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2007, 04:20:59 PM »
50*,6 inch, 45*  Pin over middle finger.

Wanted this ball to get down the lane and have a smoother transition off the dry.  As luck would have it this ball gives me great mid-lane recovery from almost everywhere. As with all Roto Grip products, the Mystic hits like a truck.

Another great product from Roto Grip!
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Re: Mystic
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2007, 11:13:50 PM »
Bought this 15.3oz ball with a 3-3.5 in pin about a month ago with the following layout.  

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All I have to say is WOW!!  Do this ball hit with a ton of power.  Goes long and make a left turn when it hits the dry.  I am a righty and I track high, right next to the fingers and thumb. On Sunday 11/25, in a new league I just joined, I shot 222-213-300, for by best series to date of 736.  Just got back into bowling in Jan '07 after the house I bowled in closed. Prior to this series, by best was 179-255-275, for a 709.

I have never been a great bowler and would consider myself an average bowler.  Avg in my two leagues are 202 and 191.  Last two sets were 244-222-151(11/26) and 243-222-141(11/29) We will have to see what my average will be after a couple more weeks in the Sunday league I just joined(1 week scores above).  

Other balls I have are the TNV, Venus, Super Sonic, Neptune, Crisis Solid, Equation and Element Zr40.

Balls in the bag are Mystic, Venus, Element Zr40 and my Roto Super Sonic.

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Re: Mystic
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2007, 06:31:19 AM »
BALL SPECS
Pin Length - 2"
Ball Weight - 15lbs

DRILL PATTERN
Pin to PAP - 5"
CG to PAP - 5"

BOWLER STYLE
Rev Rate - 325ish
Ball Speed - 17 by the quibica
PAP/Track - 5 1/2 right, 1/2 up


SURFACE PREPARATION
Grit - OOB

LANE CONDITION
Length - 41ft
Volume - med to heavy
Type (Wall, Xmas Tree, Sport) - various, see below

BALL REACTION(1-10)
Overall Hook - moderate
Midlane Read - reads early but doesn't jump
Breakpoint Shape - defined arc

COMMENTS

My proshop guy gave me this ball.  He won it at the Easter high roller and it had been sitting in a cabinet in the shop.  After a few months of pestering him, I guess he gave in.

Drilled pin above ring, right at 5" from my axis, 5/8s side weight.  

The first house I used this ball in the pattern hooks quite a bit, typical house shot at 40 ft.  I was looking 12 at the arrows and 5 at the breakpoint.  OOB the Mystic hit the end of the pattern and bit hard left.  After a game or so, that angularity of the move tamed down some.  This league is filled with quite a few plastic ball straight tossers.  The carrydown can get pretty bad depending on the team you draw for that night.  I moved a couple of boards right throughout the set and put together a decent 751.

The other house I bowl league in is a heavier volume house shot.  This house usually requires me to use something sanded due to my above avg speed.  I can use the Mystic, but I have to be right of 10 at the arrows and play up the lane.  I'm sure I could use this ball with a 1000 grit sand, but I like to use it once the track area starts to dry up.

Just another typical particle pearl.  Smooth, predictable and handles carrydown well.  The Mystic continues to impress me every time I throw it.  Reminds me alot of the Oracle Vision I had about this time last year.
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Re: Mystic
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2008, 03:49:47 PM »
This is by far my favorite ball in the Roto Grip line.  I've had it now for almost a year and it's still my favorite ball in my bag.  When I first got the ball drilled out it was right before the USBC Open Championships last year.  I used it the night before I left in league and shot 700 with it and I had never even practiced with the ball before.  When I used it out at the Open Championships I dominated with it.  I average 228 for the nine games and ended up profiting more than $10,000 from my placings in the tournament and from brackets.  The Mystic was the only ball that I used during the Open Championships and it definitely paid off for me.  I just got back from the U.S. Open where this was the only ball in my bag that was actually able to work on that condition.  I averaged 205 with the Mystic in the U.S. Open and 170 with the other balls that I used.  If I had just used the Mystic the entire tournament I might have made the first cut.  Lesson learned, the Mystic should always be the ball I go to first in my bag.  This ball is by far one of the best bowling balls on the market right now, I would get one if you havn't already.
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Re: Mystic
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2009, 05:21:50 PM »
The ball: 16 pounds, 5-inch pin, 2.25 oz. top prior to drill
The drill: Modified "Tommy Jones" layout -- pin high above the bridge with 2.25-inch pin buffer, CG just below midline and directly under ring, works out to a 5.25 x 3.5 drill for me. Surface is box.
Me: PAP 4 over 3/8 up, tweener revs, good speed, typically throw with high axis rotation and low tilt.

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These balls have been going for dirt cheap NIB on eBay lately and I got this one for $40. At that price it was a no-brainer to buy.

I have not had good luck with Roto gear lately. The Epic Saga, I found, was very touchy, although I eventually ended up making it playable after a redrill. The Silver Streak SE was an over-under nightmare for me after I adjusted from being speed-dominant back to more of a speed/rev-matched bowler.

But I needed a particle pearl, and I don't have any particle pearls in my collection with a length drilling, so for $40 I figured I at least wouldn't hurt my wallet too badly if I missed. I bought a ball with a longer pin (about 4.8 inches) and put a modified "Tommy Jones" layout on it, which carries the pin high above the bridge. The modification came with moving the CG a little to the positive side, which moves the theoretical mass bias away from the thumbhole.

First test bed for this ball was a broken-down and almost flat-oil shot our local house uses for recreational open play. It is tougher than its house shot (an average-scoring THS derivative) by about 15 pins. On top of that, the pattern had been hammered by plastic-throwing open bowlers all day.

As such, the Mystic was too much ball without any oil in the heads. Despite the length drilling from the Jones-style layout, the particles in the coverstock were still reading dry too early and causing over-hook. But I did notice that the ball was very consistent, and even though the hits were terrible due to the pattern, carry seemed to be good. I put the ball up after a short session.

For the second test, I was back at the same house on a fresh THS, which in this house is typically medium-dry with flatter lateral characteristics and not so much of a wall outside.

I'm not accustomed to uttering the words "angular particle pearl" very often, but this ball is just that. It has almost a reactive look downlane (probably a function of the layout) without sacrificing the traits that make particle pearl what it is -- the ability to play in the oil and the ability to ignore carrydown.

This is the first Roto ball I've thrown in a while that was this consistent from shot to shot. Carry and hit were both good, not spectacular but good.

Apparently, this ball just kind of got lost in the hoopla of other balls, and that's unfortunate. This is one of the best particle pearls on the market, especially if you like your particle pearls to retain an angular look.

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The good: Angular despite being a particle pearl, can play in a reasonable amount of oil or anything other than bone dry, responds well to hand position changes

The bad: Nothing really other that the ball doesn't have a true standout feature beyond its ability to mimic a reactive look.

Overall: One of those kind of balls that everyone needs to have in their arsenal but never seems to get around to buying.

Jess