Author Topic: Nomad Dagger (Read 20106 times)

admin · « **on:** December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »

- Cover Stock: Ultra Vision Hybrid Reactive
- Weight Block: Rotary Core
- Color: Deep Purple Solid/Silver Pearl
- Factory Finish: 1500 Polished
- Flare Potential: 5+ inches
- Lane Condition: Medium Oil
- RG Differential: 16#-0.049, 15#-0.054, 14#-0.046, 13#-0.037, 12#-0.021
- A few tiny pit holes in the cover stock of the ball are normal
- Description: Looking forward to the new Nomad Dagger, we are relying upon the proven Rotary weight block design to carry the success of the series in to the future. This unique core shape fits so many different styles of bowlers! Strokers, crankers, and tweeners alike have found success with the Nomads...in fact, the Nomads have come to be must-haves in Wes Malott''''s tournament aresenal, too. And with an Ultra Vision Hybrid coverstock, the Nomad Dagger comes prepared with a 1500-grit polished finish. Matched with this Rotary core, it''''s a lethal combination. You need this ball. Roto Grip - it''''s all about the ATTITUDE.

RG is King · « **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2010, 02:41:17 PM »

WOW!!!! enough said. When I first heard of the release of this ball, I really got excited. I've watched several of my friends throwing the Hy-Road and I really liked the reaction of it. I got mine and bowled on a 39' house shot. I started with the ball factory finish and was playing up the gutter with medium speed. The ball just floated through the fronts with a STRONG ANGULAR backend movement. As the outside started drying out, I just kept on moving left and the ball never started hooking early and the movement down lane was strong. This ball was kicking ten pins to the middle from every angle I tried. So then I took a used 4000 abralon and hand sanded it. That made all of the difference in the world. Still clean through the fronts, strong in the mid-lane and smooth but continuous on the backend!! I then bowled on the Cheetah pattern and it really looked good on it. It never read too early and the movement down lane was predictable and consistent. This ball is a must, a great benchmark ball.
Thanks to Hank and everyone at Roto Grip for producing the best balls in bowling!!!!!

cmsubowler · « **Reply #17 on:** December 19, 2010, 11:01:35 PM »

Welcome back for the Nomad Dagger review. Thank you to all for your feedback and Thank You Roto Grip for another hit.

Please view the video here ..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hawkyBbYIqM

Those of you who view the video thank you but please allow me to mention, I was not throwing the ball particularly well on this day as I was recovering from the flu at the time. You almost wouldn't know it though because this ball is great. Using one of my favorite drilling patterns 60 x 4.5 x 65 this ball makes it easy to succeed. I compared this ball with the original Nomad Pearl(a personal favorite of mine). The hybrid solid/pearl coverstock used for the Dagger allowed me to open the lane up just that little bit more which is needed on some heavier oil conditions. This ball matches up best when the pearl is too long and the solid is too smooth around the corner to create enough entry angle. While the hybrids are supposed to give the best of both worlds and sometimes fall short, this one is definately a success. I usually change surfaces quite a bit prior to a review but with this ball I really didn't have to. Medium to high gloss were the only changes I made as I had no reason to try it dull. This is truly a benchmark ball which I can use on drier conditions moving further in or heavier oil conditions moving further outside towards the drier boards. Excellent ball on sport shots to help smooth out the back part of the lanes. This rotary core is awesome and this will be a great ball for a long time.

LarryH · « **Reply #18 on:** December 20, 2010, 11:17:43 AM »

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Same drilling as my Theory for this LH Senior Stroker...3 inch pin.. W/pin above and one inch left of ring finger....The Ultra Hybred Cover goes long with a back end flip similar to the original Nomad, but a little stronger......I Had the box condition taken down to 1,000 with scotch brite using clean & dull & hook it for use on Sport condition league...I could go long out side 1st arrow and get a great reaction out of the Rotary Weight Flip for the Nomad carry....Try this surface for a Mid-Priced Ball on Mid- Heavy oil conditions...Larry Hoffman, RG Advisory Staff

Rotoguy300 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2010, 03:57:06 PM »

Layout- 4 Â½â€ Pin to PAP Pin above and right of the ring, CG stacked, 7/8â€ x 2 Â¼â€ hole about 4 Â¾â€ from pin.

I was one of the biggest proponents for bringing back the Rotary Core from the beginning and have been overjoyed with both the solid and the pearl Nomad, so needless to say I have been eagerly awaiting the addition of the hybrid covered Nomad for a while. For most of the folks Iâ€™ve drilled the Dagger for, it has fit nicely between the reactions given to them by both the solid and the pearl. It has been slightly weaker than the solid and slightly smoother than the pearl with a strength that split them both as well. For me, however, this ball has turned out to be the strongest of the bunch, in spite of having the weakest layout I have used on a Nomad to date. I think the combination of better midlane roll than the pearl and better backend punch than the solid really pumped this ball up for me, enough to make a buddy of mine who shortly bowled for Wichita St. green with envy. It seems like I can get this thing to recover from anywhere! Definitely a good piece to own if youâ€™re looking for an angular bench mark ball!

surface_solutions · « **Reply #20 on:** December 28, 2010, 10:13:56 PM »

15 lb 3 oz 3" PIN
4 1/2 x 4 weight hole inside VAL and above mid line.

Power stroker
16-17 mph

THS on Brunswick Pro Anvilane

Having lost carry with my starting ball late in game 1 I made a switch to the Dagger...I was left wondering what took me so long.

4x4 is a strong layout for me. Not as much length but lots of pop on the back end with most equipment. The Dagger held true to form for the most part. I experienced more length with a strong backend move. Not exactly skid flip, but I'd still say it had a flippy nature.

What amazed me was the area that the ball created. Tonight the middle of the lane seemed OB. It was like there was lots of friction just past the arrows inside around 12 to 16 but the outside was fair. It wasn't funneling shots to the pocket like a normal THS so there was some work to be done.

When I finally made the change I started out targeting 12 at the arrows bouncing off from 5. The shot here was $$$$. Even if I got a little firm the cover had enough traction to turn the corner, shots missed way inside (inside the dry spot) skidded and faced up carrying some of the more flush strikes all night. Considering the angle that I was playing missing wide usually meant a washout, which I saw plenty of. With the Dagger I flung a couple having been glad to get 6 or 7 but when the ball exited the pattern it turned hard leaving just a 10 pin.

For the most part I think the ball will play very well on many conditions. I am a huge fan of the Rotary core and the covers are superb also. I recommend putting a strong layout on one of these and having some fun. The Nomad Dagger is a great bench mark ball, playability for all styles.
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deerelover · « **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2011, 05:47:53 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length:42'

Volume:medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):THS

COMMENTS

Likes:Lets start with the drilling had it drilled 4x3x3 putting the pin in the ring finger and cg kicked right at 45* this is a lot stronger ball then i thought it would be just a little weaker than my anarchy but more skid flippy after i start game one with anarchy into the middle of the second game out comes the dagger it will really open up a house shot

Dislikes:

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

pbacanuck300 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 07, 2011, 11:46:24 AM »

LANE CONDITION

Length: 45

Volume: Medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): House Pattern

COMMENTS

Likes:The Nomad Dagger is a Nomad with a lot more back end. It goes long and then makes a very strong move into the pocket. When the lanes are broken down to the point where I need to move deep inside it can get through the heads clean and still make it back to the pocket. Once the heads are to the point where the Theory burns out early the Nomad Dagger is the perfect ball to go to.

Dislikes:

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tommyboy74 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 22, 2011, 10:32:34 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length: 43ft, Legends Oil, Brunswick Anvilane Synthetic lanes (installed in 2008)

Volume: Medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS

COMMENTS

After taking a 12 year layoff from bowling, I decided to get back into the sport this year and 1 of the first 2 balls I bought was a Roto Grip Nomad Dagger. I wanted something that would work very well with medium oil and be a solid benchmark ball.

My bread and butter has always been playing more on the outside of the lane, right of 3rd arrow. However, I can move deeper if necessary. The 43 foot house shot was good to test playing some deeper lines along with going up the boards.

I bought my Nomad Dagger with a 3" pin, and decided to use a control layout, with the CG kicked out and no weight hole.

The first night of trying this ball, I had practice lanes available for 2 hours and was able to use the Dagger for the first 4 games. This ball is clean through the heads, has a great midlane read, and the carry is excellent with keeping the pins low. Having the Rotary core is great as it really does pack a punch.

Another thing I noticed is that the ball is versatile with playing both deeper inside and on the outside part of the lane. I had no problem playing between 3rd and 4th arrow, swinging out to the 5th board, and then playing straight up 2nd arrow, as well as between 1st and 2nd arrow.

One thing that was tougher at the start is that when attempting to play deeper on fresh conditions, the Nomad Dagger can be a little over/under. The center I was at trying this ball for the first time seems to flood the middle of the lane more, and 43 feet didn't help that. In this case, adjusting the cover with an abralon pad, moving outside to play in less volume or going with a stronger ball if you like to play deeper would be the better way to go. In my case, I moved outside and got a great look. Even better- the person next to me using a 900 Global Long Shot was having issues with overreaction and took notice with how well the Dagger was holding on line.

This is 1 of the first 2 balls I ever bought from Roto Grip (the other being a Rising Star). I am very happy with both balls so far. The Dagger has a great spot in the arsenal and works well as a benchmark ball.

Likes: Clean through the heads, great midlane read, keeps pins low for great carry

Dislikes: Can be a little over/under sometimes on heavier volume

rotogrip_rick · « **Reply #24 on:** March 24, 2011, 09:30:36 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length:Different Lengths

Volume:50ml

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): Kegel Sport

COMMENTS

Likes:Everything

Dislikes: none

This drilling was a 60x5x60 pin up and 4000Ab... I wanted something where I can play a straighter shot and I came up with this idea for this ball. Let me tell you something... This is now my PRIMARY ball to start on any sport shot... Found the layout and surface matches on Abbey Road, Middle Road, and even looked great on Route 66... This by far the best all around ball on the market... Dagger away and knock some wood down!!!

Rick Mitchell
Roto-Grip Staff Member
Roto-Grip Staff writer
York-Adams USBC board member
USBC Bronze Level Coach
York-Adams Bowling Hall of Fame Member

rotogrip_rick · « **Reply #25 on:** March 24, 2011, 09:30:39 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length:Different Lengths

Volume:50ml

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): Kegel Sport

COMMENTS

Likes:Everything

Dislikes: none

This drilling was a 60x5x60 pin up and 4000Ab... I wanted something where I can play a straighter shot and I came up with this idea for this ball. Let me tell you something... This is now my PRIMARY ball to start on any sport shot... Found the layout and surface matches on Abbey Road, Middle Road, and even looked great on Route 66... This by far the best all around ball on the market... Dagger away and knock some wood down!!!

Rick Mitchell
Roto-Grip Staff Member
Roto-Grip Staff writer
York-Adams USBC board member
USBC Bronze Level Coach
York-Adams Bowling Hall of Fame Member

StormRoto · « **Reply #26 on:** March 30, 2011, 11:02:46 PM »

BALL SPECS

Pin Length: 3 inches

Starting Top Weight: 2.74 oz

Ball Weight: 15

DRILL PATTERN

Pin to PAP: 5 inches

CG to PAP: 3 inches mb with 4 inch pin buffer

X Hole (if there is one): P2 hole

BOWLER STYLE

Rev Rate: 380

Ball Speed: 16

PAP/Track: 4 inches up 1 1/4

SURFACE PREP

Grit: Factory

Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded):

LANE CONDITION

Length: 39 ft

Volume: medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS

BALL REACTION

Length: Very good length with the Hybird cover

Back End: Good strong backend

Overall Hook: Probably a 7 on a scale of 1 out 10

Midlane Read: Good solid midlane read

Breakpoint Shape: Strong arc move

COMMENTS

Likes: I was needing a benchmark ball, Hank Boomershire suggested a Nomad Dagger.

Layed this ball out 5x3x4 with a P2 hole. This fit perfectly in my arsenal. Very controllable and predictable roll.

With the Hybird cover the Dagger reads the midlane and has very strong move on the backend. When the heads

start to go this ball comes alive in really opening up the lane. Great Benchmark ball.

Dislikes: Can get a little over/under reaction with the heavier patterns.

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

Brian Watson

Storm Amateur Staff

RGChuck · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2011, 11:39:23 PM »

BALL SPECS

Pin Length:3"

Starting Top Weight:2.8Oz.

Ball Weight:16

DRILL PATTERN

Pin to PAP:Dual Angle 70 Degree X 4" by 70 degree

CG to PAP:

X Hole (if there is one):

BOWLER STYLE

Rev Rate:320

Ball Speed:16

PAP/Track:5 1/4 over 1/2 up

SURFACE PREP

Grit:4000 Abralon

Type: (Matte, Polish, Sanded):Light polish (15 seconds/ball half)

LANE CONDITION

Length:39 feet

Volume:Medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):THS

BALL REACTION

Length: 8 (scale of 10)

Back End: 9

Overall Hook: 8

Midlane Read: very good

Breakpoint Shape: strong arc

COMMENTS

Likes:This ball is predictable and fun to bowl with. Gets through the heads easily, reads the midlane sooner than a true pearl and unleashes a strong but controllable finish. Has enough snap on the back end to allow me to move deeper as the lanes break down, but still carry the corners. In 2 months, I have had 3- 300's and 3 800's spread over 2 different bowling centers. This is the first ball out of my bag, and often the only one. Every bowler should have this in their arsenal.

Dislikes: really none - maybe hooks a little too much on toasted heads, but so does everything else.

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

TamerBowling · « **Reply #28 on:** May 04, 2011, 10:35:24 AM »

LANE CONDITION

Length: 41ft

Volume: medium

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc): THS

COMMENTS

The Nomad Dagger is the kind of ball that many will like. As a hybrid, it seems to really take advantage of the length and backend characteristics of a pearl, yet the overall strength of a solid. This ball really offers a different look than either the Nomad solid or Nomad pearl. This ball is clean through the heads, yet has a strong booming move on the backends. This ball is really continuous at the pins and is impressive as it drives through the pocket. The reason why many will like this ball is that it's strong move late in the midlane and backends will give bowlers the confidence it will make it back, allowing them to relax. This ball might actually be a step up from a benchmark ball given it's strength, but look for a drilling that works for you and you will likely find a ball that can be used quite often. This ball has a look of being able to get deep and open up the lanes.

PICTURES AND/OR VIDEOS

For the complete review, Digitrax analysis, and video visit:

http://tamerbowling.com/index.php/roto-grip-nomad-dagger-ball-review/

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rotogrip_rick · « **Reply #29 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:33:40 PM »

LANE CONDITION

Length:42 ft

Volume:Very heavy

Type (THS, Sport Pattern etc):THS

COMMENTS

Likes:not to flippy and loved the how nice it rolls and can read it well

Layout information

50x 6 x 70 with a P3 hole with pin below the fingers, on the centerline of the grip

I did this layout as per recommendation of Damion Wentz at Bowlers Supply, to be used at Hanover Bowling Centre inside of the normal left handed track area. A ton of lefties bowl Tuesday night, and tend to make the shot get "sparky" after a game and a half... So I asked Damion for a layout, and knowing how I bowl, this is what we came up with. This helps me have a great 1-2 punch with my 55x5x35 Bandit and this Dagger....

Rick Mitchell
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York-Adams USBC board member
USBC Bronze Level Coach
York-Adams Bowling Hall of Fame Member

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