Insidedrive, if you want skid/flip, the Saga or Silver Streak SE are better choices. I had no problem with pin carry with the Epic when I owned it. For me, it shined on lanes with a good amount of oil in the heads and higher friction backends because it smoothed out the wet/dry reaction. The only time pin carry was a factor is when the head oil left, but I would just move in or change equipment to something that would go longer.