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BackToBasics

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Advantages of a strong cover
« on: November 20, 2007, 06:14:52 AM »
Forum has been kind of dead so I figured I would try and start a "thinking" thread.

Take a certain high friction lane condition, for example like this past weeks PBA telecast in Indiana (with Barnes and Malot).  Would you rather take a weak cover/core like the Neptune or a strong cover/core like the Odyssey to attack the lanes and why?  What layout and surface choices would you use?

I really believe that you should take the strongest cover possible. A strong cover is a lot less sensitive to transition and is not as oil allergic.  Strong solid covers and asymmetricals allow drilling options not possible with low diff cores.  Adjust the surface and pin length to get the length you need and MB angle to determine shape.  For example, this past weekend I bowled a TNBA tournament in NJ at Carolier.  Lanes broke down extremely quickly but my Odyssey with the pin 6.25" above middle with 55* MB angle was the best matchup. Sure, I had to get into 4th and 5th arrow, but it read the breakdown and transition a lot better than the Neptune I had.   That's why you often see the guys on the telecast using pins way above fingers and left of grip.

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Re: Advantages of a strong cover
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 03:40:24 PM »
I like to start off with a dull solid reactive ball, maybe a Horizon Solid or a Quest and then move to a ball like a Odyssey with a 1500 or 2000 abralon to hold the line.  It allows me a little more forgiveness.
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Re: Advantages of a strong cover
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 03:44:07 PM »
The 6+" drillings have been really successful over the past few seasons.  As the shot breaks down, the pros are able to retain a ton of energy with these drilling as not to have the ball squirt on fried heads.  Plus, this drilling still has plenty of stored energy to kick corners out.
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Re: Advantages of a strong cover
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 07:29:30 PM »
Mark,

Yeah, it is a tough combo to try and find.  I still have trouble when I know I can take a Neptune and move right but also know the breakdown and crossing will make that area transition fast.  Do I stay out and try to take a big game or two early and then switch?  Or stay in and let the transition come to me?  It a conundrum I tell you  I got caught last weekend trying the Neptune out (since that is where Carolier likes to start out) but my hold quickly went away and I had to make the huge jump left with the Odyssey.

I used to use a lot of pins close to my axis, but now with so many people using really agressive equipment and the shot always migrating left, they tend to be very limited and do not hit too well.  Long pins are more versatile and still can keep up with higher scoring environments for me. My favorite used to be axis leverage but I have not used that in a few years. Just hooks way too early.
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Re: Advantages of a strong cover
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 07:48:32 PM »
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The 6+" drillings have been really successful over the past few seasons.  As the shot breaks down, the pros are able to retain a ton of energy with these drilling as not to have the ball squirt on fried heads.  Plus, this drilling still has plenty of stored energy to kick corners out.


Say what?

Balls don't "squirt" on dry boards...
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Re: Advantages of a strong cover
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 08:02:02 PM »
strong core with a weaker cover,more length with good energy retention and better carry potential.
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Re: Advantages of a strong cover
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 11:16:03 PM »
I hate to quibble with a national champ.  BUT...aren't we talking about stronger cores too.

I believe for all flat conditions that stay flat(like they do on the left).
Very often the strongest cores are not the answer...as they force one deeper with the feet.  But on all top hat patterns that have dryer boards to the outside I LOVE stronger cores that give me swing!

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PS clearly if a flat pattern opens up(like on the right hand side...I always like the look of stronger cores then too!)
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Re: Advantages of a strong cover
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2007, 04:48:02 PM »
quote:
I hate to quibble with a national champ.  BUT...aren't we talking about stronger cores too.

I believe for all flat conditions that stay flat(like they do on the left).
Very often the strongest cores are not the answer...as they force one deeper with the feet.  But on all top hat patterns that have dryer boards to the outside I LOVE stronger cores that give me swing!

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Luckylefty
PS clearly if a flat pattern opens up(like on the right hand side...I always like the look of stronger cores then too!)
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Hey Lucky...not sure who this was directed to but you bring up a good point.  If the shot won't transition much or like you said pretty flat on the left, then a weaker core probably is a better choice.  But the drawback is that the left side often has so much natural push that a weaker core can goes sideways at the end of the pattern because of no early read.  I know that's the case for the DC area.  Also, weaker cores are very good for old wooden houses. which I still see quite a bit of in TNBA tournaments.

See Mark...this thread is sort of working  I used to have a pin-axis pearl Beast that was a "beast (pun intended) playing out.  It would just roll and hold pocket all day long.  Tried one about a year ago and it deflected so much I'm still looking for it LOL.


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