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crankncrash

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Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« on: February 10, 2008, 07:03:37 AM »
Hey guys,

I am bowling in a tournament on wooden lanes, the outsides are dry, the insides pretty light, 38ft would be my guess and the backs are FLYING.  I have to take my RedZone (drilled for length at 2000 abralon) play it off the 4th arrow and project to 8-9 with hand out of the ball, by my standards, to hold the pocket. If I catch one, I am done for.  I could really use a ball that thinks its plastic, but has just a little forgiveness.  I MIGHT just go ahead and wheel plastic this week if I have to try to play that line again.  Basicly I want a reactive or something of that nature, with a core, that thinks its plastic.  Is the neptune the right choice or am I fishing in the wrong pond?  I am pretty much sold on it, but I wanted to confirm or redirect myself before I order it.
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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2008, 03:07:42 PM »
If you drill it 6" pin-pap, or pin close to the pap you would be able to handle that condition. Reactive isnt plastic, so it will read the lanes whatever you do.
Try a urethane ball?
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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2008, 03:11:10 PM »
Basically,I love the planet series,but the Neptune was way too strong for me to use on anything I remotely consider dry! Maybe your dry is tighter than mine,but I could use mine on a fair amount of oil.It really didn't fill the spot I had hoped for in my arsenal.
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crankncrash

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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2008, 03:21:37 PM »
hmmm I don't like hearing that...  

Azus, what is out there besides the liberator?  I'm not really into that much reaction early..  I used to have a TooHot that was the stuff on garbage like this and it had to crack on me...

Ahh anyway,  I don't mind it having a little move, thats not the point, a plastic ball will roll off the dry, I don't mind that.  I just need something to keep me away from playing WAY deeper than I am consistant.
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NJStroker

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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2008, 04:14:12 PM »
How about a mercury drilled pin on axis??? that should be smooth and very weak.
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crankncrash

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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2008, 04:48:47 PM »
Same core with a solid cover correct? would that not yield a slightly stronger ball? In all fairness it may not be much stronger, but it should be a touch smoother anyway, so that may not be a bad concept for sure.
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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2008, 05:05:43 PM »
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Same core with a solid cover correct? would that not yield a slightly stronger ball? In all fairness it may not be much stronger, but it should be a touch smoother anyway, so that may not be a bad concept for sure.


The Mercury has the same coverstock as the Neptune (both are pearls) but the core is upside down with larger Differential.

The Neptune, along with the Power Groove Dry/R and the Tropical Storm are probably the 3 mildest resin balls surrently made. The Neptune has what some people regard as a mor edynamic core than the Power Groove and the TS. The TS's core is fairly dynamic.

Regarding the Neptune and the TS, both are 1500 grit + polish. So, if you want even less ball, with whatever drill you decide upon, you can always sand them to 2000 or even 4000 grit and apply a bunch of polish to make them even weaker.

Reagrding the previous comment from a person who regarded his Neptune as too strong: I have seen 2 friends use it at some tournaments. One was drilled pin under the ring finger (pin-PAP of about 4") and one had the pin over the center of the bridge (Pin-PAP of about 5.5". They acted like two COMPLETELY different balls. The 5.5" pin was SOOO much weaker than the 4" lower pin ball.

If you are a cranker, a high, 5.5" - 6" pin would result is a very weak ball that takes a good deal of dry to make the turn.

Such a Neptune has to be 3, if not 4 notches weaker in oil handling than a Red Zone. (FYI In my opinion, a 2000 grit RZ is not weak at all. A 2000 grit RZ PLUS polish can be weaker, i.e. handle less oil.)

If you're a slower speed AND a high rev bowler, that would be my only concern for your use of this ball. Until you try one, you won't be able to tell. Maybe a used one is an option.

Heck, even if it winds up to strong, you can still adjust the cover with fine Abralon (4000 git + polish.)

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crankncrash

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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2008, 07:12:30 PM »
charlest,

Thank you for some insight as always.  I guess I am mistaken on the Mercury. The RedZone I have is not really a weak ball, but its certainly not strong either.  I wish it were stable at a higher grit, but it gets way over under on me.

I throw the ball ~16mph, not real hard by anymeans, but not a fluffer.  I have a high track at ~350rpm. I think that a weak drilled Neptune might be a nice choice, but AS ALWAYS there are those that throw detractors and make me nervous about it.  I agree to the idea that 4000 should make it really weak if all else fails.

How about this, drill the ball at a 5in pin or such and go to 4000, would that encourage the ball to pick up a roll a bit better and yet still not have the cover to go nuts, or would I end up with something that would be an over under MONSTER? Or maybe I should simply drill it to do nothing and be satisfied when it doesn't do anything.
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crankncrash

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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2008, 07:21:35 PM »
The thought has crossed my mind... I have a clear wearwolf from way back, that does work, but for some reason seems to get over under if you can believe it. I'm a bit leary of going strait plastic ball haha.  I used my target zone for a 214 in practice the other night and had me thinking about my strategy on this shot...
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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2008, 08:06:16 PM »
My Neptune acts like a plastic with a core is you ask me. I have it drill pin under and like a 4 inch pin to pap. I haven't ran into too many conditions that it was strong enough for and I have a decent amount of hand. I would say I am a low end cranker. I also use a 60 to 90 degree release as well so that could be part of it.
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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2008, 08:54:04 PM »
If you go with the Neptune drill it 6 inch from your pap and put the cg in line with the pin and your pap. This will give you very good length and smooth continuous reaction in the back. Good luck.
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crankncrash

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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2008, 01:18:38 PM »
Yeah its really between the neptune and possibly an xxxl, but I think the xxxl might just be a little less overall performance hit wise.. perhaps I am mistaken.  I think the 6inch drill on the neptune may be the way I go though.  I really can't wait to have this end filled and have the cell to complete the top end.. The cell is on the way, so this is next in line.
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crankncrash

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Re: Can the Neptune think its plastic?
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2008, 01:20:14 PM »
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If you go with the Neptune drill it 6 inch from your pap and put the cg in line with the pin and your pap. This will give you very good length and smooth continuous reaction in the back. Good luck.


Anybody got an illistration or a picture of this set up, I am quite sure it basicly puts the core on its side, but I want to be sure before I do as I think.
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