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joblo1978

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Punching a Mutant
« on: November 29, 2009, 11:50:46 PM »
After spending a good while getting to know the dual angle and more about ball layouts I've decided on the following for a Mutant.

Dual Angle 70 deg x 5" x 70 deg

5" x 5.5" x 4.5" Pin Buffer


PAP is 5 3/4" by 1/2" inch

I'm going for lots length and deep continuous roll/hook with this one

I have matched speed and revs at about 350 with a high track.

What do you guys think?

 

the pooh

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Re: Punching a Mutant
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 09:11:42 AM »
Hello again! 5 x 5 1/2 will be in the sharp break area. You will need to shorten your pap to mb distance to get the deep continuous roll, however,in doing this , you will lose some length. A forward roll layout would be 5 x 2 3/4. Also, with the 70* val angle, you run the risk of flaring over your finger holes. According to Turbo Tech, "Bowlers with a horizontal positive axis point of 5 1/2" or more use a 35* realignment adjustment to locate the vertical axis line. These alignment methods should accommodate most spans and keep the pin in a safe environment and help match the core angle for the player."
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joblo1978

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Re: Punching a Mutant
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2009, 07:45:10 AM »
50* x 5.5" x 40*
5.5" x 4" x 3" Pin Buffer


This better?

What you mentioned about the extreme VAL angle was very helpful.  I have another ball drilled up with the MB in approx. the 4th position.  The pin is right next to my ring finger.  I guess that's why at one point the index finger hole cracked.

Is it pretty safe to say that with a higher track bowler as long as the pin is above a line drawn from the PAP to middle finger it's a pretty safe as far as rolling over a hole?

I guess I'm just going to be stuck with higher pin drillings.

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Re: Punching a Mutant
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2009, 08:38:05 AM »
Joblo1978, I am in the same boat that you are in when it comes to having to keep the pin up on most of my drillings. My PAP is 5 1/8 > 5/8 up. I clip fingers on almost every pin under drilling if the pin is in a high flaring position. I can put weight holes down the VAL to move the track up, but this makes the ball even earlier and more conditional for me (wet in/dry out).

I was fortunate to get a chance to go to Turbo Tech and spend some time with the inventor of the Turbo document, Lou Marquez. He drew on one of my balls what equated to a "box" of pin and MB placements that my track should not clip fingers with. This put almost everyone of them no lower than finger level. He also told me that if I put the pin in the ring finger that would be one of the slowest responses to friction that I should ever need.

He did suggest that if I really want an early rolling layout that looks like the pin down/hole down (RICO) to try a MB placement close to 30* but still with a pin up layout in a weaker flaring position (5-5.5"). I did try this on a Gravity Shift and Lou was dead on as it was continous and early/smooth of the spot.

Feel free to PM if you ever want to "compare" notes on higher track layouts or Storm/RG balls.
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joblo1978

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Re: Punching a Mutant
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2009, 09:53:16 AM »
Yeah, I guess you're right, but look at it this way too.  A medium low to low track player will never be able to take advantage of a really long pin drilling with a nasty and snappy hook either.  The ball just won't come back for them so....  

It's not all bad.

joblo1978

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Re: Punching a Mutant
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 06:29:44 AM »
Well, I got it punched up.

55* x 5.25" x 35*                          
5.25" x 4.25" x 2.5" Pin Buffer

Looks pretty good, definitely different that anything else I have in the bag already.  Haven''t rolled it yet but I''ll give it a go Friday night.

It was really close to what I had laid out on it for him, but he had to kick the CG out a little bit so it wouldn''t have negative weight.

Hole is right on PAP and came out to 1/2 oz. sideweight and about 3/4 oz. finger.

This was the first ball I have laid out and he said I did pretty good.  He generally doesn''t use the dual angle method, but he said it will do what I''m going for.

Before rolling it, feels to be one of my better fitting balls.  You know they''re all a bit different.


Edited on 12/3/2009 7:31 AM