thanks guys.. this will be in 2 parts.
-taylorproshop - i would say my uncle gets med revs and is a classic stroker, down and in. he has a ebonite NVS and NV, both drilled the same (pin above the fingers, cg kicked out about an 1" right (roughly 4.5x3), and he doesn't have a problem getting those balls to hook and we keep the surfaces (NV-4000 grit, with storm diamond gloss, NVS-1500 grit storm xtra shine), do im thinking the layout is the issue.
-nospareball - he's throwing it OOB RIGHT NOW, so you would think it would be hooking early, but he's saying that the ball is going straight, and when he hits the pocket, the ball has no pop, so its rolling out on him. we're gonna try to add some polish to see if that changes the reaction. i'll keep ya posted.
thx both of ya for your input and if you have other suggestions that would be great. oh.. also to add, and i noticed this, that the person who has been drilling mine and my uncles, just lays the ball out without going off our PAP. DO YOU SEE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS???