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luv2C10falll

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Cell for Shark pattern
« on: May 19, 2008, 10:44:00 AM »
I got a Nib cell.Pin 3" an top of 3oz..Looking to drill it for the shark pattern on pba league.We bowl on 4yr old synth's.Any suggestions please
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 05:03:20 AM »
I would look at a stacked layout out with the pin a decent ways away from your fingers. I have for the Shark and it is laid out with the pin 1.5x1.5 over and up from the ring. You don't want it to get going too early otherwise it will waste all it's energy before finding some friction. You should also keep it at OOB surface.
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008, 05:55:28 AM »
What kind of advice is that?  1.5 over and 1.5 up for the ring finger.  All measurements should be from the PAP.
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008, 08:49:17 AM »
I've always used pearl balls for Shark. There's always going to be people throwing sandpaper up the track for me to bounce off of but the main thing is getting the ball to read the backends.
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2008, 01:08:27 PM »
First off, like I have said in this forum before, I don't layout balls using the same style as the people on here. Second, using pearl is great, but it pushes the oil down the lane and that lets you use strong solid balls.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2008, 01:20:27 PM »
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First off, like I have said in this forum before, I don't layout balls using the same style as the people on here.
You should really explain it to us sometime.  I get the distinct feeling it's not any better than any of the other methods, but I'm always curious.
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2008, 05:52:28 PM »
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First off, like I have said in this forum before, I don't layout balls using the same style as the people on here.
You should really explain it to us sometime.  I get the distinct feeling it's not any better than any of the other methods, but I'm always curious.


I have gotten into this conversation before. I am not able to share the layout style because it was shared with me and I was required to promise to not share the style. Otherwise my pro will stop coaching and drilling for me. To give you an idea. When identifying my pap in relation to my grip my measurements would be 5 7/8 X 5 3/4. If I had to estimate my layout measurements, because I don't know them. The ball is layed out about 4x5. That is only an estimation though.
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2008, 06:01:00 PM »
Sounds like your pro shop is giving you the lazy explanation so he doesn't have to worry about his customers complaining that the pin is 4.75" from their axis instead of the 5" they requested.

Anyway the point is that unless your axis and the person you are giving advice to are almost identical, saying x inches from your ring finger is beyond worthless.
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2008, 08:29:45 PM »
No. If you request a layout he will give it to you. But if you let him lay it out you can tell him what you want it to do and he will lay it out. He has taught me how to lay out bowling balls with his style so I can request layouts according to his system. Do you honestly believe that Mo Pinel's methods and the standard pin/mb to pap systems are the only drilling systems possible? My ball driller is a former PBA tour bowler and has been drilling bowling balls for top bowlers for years. He has drilled balls for former US open champions and Quabica Wold Cup champions. Maybe he knows something about what he is doing. Now I am done hijacking this thread. If you want to keep talking about this you can PM me or start a new thread. But I can not describe this drilling style to you. So it is kind of worthless.
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2008, 09:23:49 PM »
Your driller is either a brilliant jackazz or just a jackazz period.  Or you're just completely full of crap and talking out your azz.  I can't be sure.  Why would he not tell anyone his OMG SECRET DRILLING METHOD?  Is he hoping to sell it to someone?
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2008, 09:35:02 PM »
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No. If you request a layout he will give it to you. But if you let him lay it out you can tell him what you want it to do and he will lay it out. He has taught me how to lay out bowling balls with his style so I can request layouts according to his system. Do you honestly believe that Mo Pinel's methods and the standard pin/mb to pap systems are the only drilling systems possible? My ball driller is a former PBA tour bowler and has been drilling bowling balls for top bowlers for years. He has drilled balls for former US open champions and Quabica Wold Cup champions. Maybe he knows something about what he is doing. Now I am done hijacking this thread. If you want to keep talking about this you can PM me or start a new thread. But I can not describe this drilling style to you. So it is kind of worthless.
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Yeah, that's cool and all but unless your driller has somehow found a magical way to layout a ball that can ignore the person throwing the ball and the differences in releases then saying 1.5 over and 1.5 up from ring is useless to most people (for high trackers this is a typical pin up drill, nothing special).  I realize that he may have hit gold with that layout for you, but it's hardly going to translate into anything meaningful for someone else, especially someone with a low track or short PAP coordinates.  If you can't reveal the system, then how do you know you are giving out good advice?  And how do we know?
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2008, 02:31:03 AM »
I describe the layouts like that because I do not know the layouts the way you want them. So I just describe the way it is physically laid out. Also it is not a single drilling pattern it is a whole system that is why I do not know the measurements to the pap. When we layout a ball to do something we do not use that system.
Also, I can not reveal it because there are a lot of drillers here in MN but this guy draws people from out of state to drill bowling balls. If people find out his method he will lose those people because then they can just go to a local guy and get it done. It is simple business I suppose one day I will be able to post it on here if he doesn't. Maybe when he stops drilling or something. But right now I can't I will work on finding the measurements you are looking for although they may seem a little strange. I have measured a few out for people and they don't believe the ball should work.
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luv2C10falll

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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2008, 09:21:30 PM »
Wow,I was just looking for some drill layout's that could work on the shark pattern.No need for all the bickering people
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2008, 09:36:56 PM »
to ask for suggestions u first have to give some idea how u throw the ball

do u track high/low? amount of rev?

if i have to layout a cell specially for long oil patterns, i would drill it RICO, pin in the palm cg out, x hole down from pap. since i like to play it straight and very tight to the pocket (if u ever seen norm duke winning on the shark, thats what i mean)

as for locke, as for ur recommendations, u cant really say just do 1.5 & 1.5, what happens if the bowler above is a full roller? since u have no knowledge about the person askin for suggestions, u shouldnt open ur mouth, or type on the keyboard. As for ur coach or whatever he is or whatever reputation he has, i can see how lazy he is with customers. i do agree that most of the drillers dont bother explaining all that stuff about axis and layout method, but if the customer really asks for it, they have to do whats asked.
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Re: Cell for Shark pattern
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2008, 02:44:29 AM »
I said he will do what you ask for a drilling but if you leave the layout up to him he uses a different system.
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