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Equipment Boards => Roto Grip => Topic started by: Jorge300 on July 14, 2008, 11:46:12 PM
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To the many Roto Grip fans out there, let me ask a question.
Currently I have 2 Cells, one drilled very strong (Pin under, about 25 deg), and taken down to 500 Abralon. Used this to start team at Nationals, for some PBA regionals on the heavier patterns. The second one is drilled pin up, about 5" from PAP, OOB finish and gives me a nice step down from the first Cell. My question is would the Grand Illusion fit under this second Cell or would it be too much of an overlap? I would look to drill it pretty medium, 4-4.5 pin-to-pap, pin even or slightly up, maybe a 75 or 80 degree angle. I don't want to put a longer drill on it with my ball speed as I am afraid it would go too long then. Thanks to all for your help.
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Jorge300
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Jorge:
From what I've seen of mine so far, the Grand would be a great fit under the 2nd CELL.
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Steve Richter
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Is the Grand Illusion still set for an Aug release ?
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August 1st according to Roger in a previous post.
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i think its the 4th or 5th because they are releasing balls on the tuesdays.
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If the Grand Illusion fits right under the Cell I wonder where the pearl cell will fit when it is released?
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RollingThunder:
From my testing, the Pearl is going to go in between them, but the MOTION is different. As we've seen before, balls can overlap in total hook, but it's the motion that determines our strike % on any given day. I'll tell you I think the ball-to-be-released-at-a-later-date-that-Roger-won't-tell-us-about could very well be BETTER than the original CELL. I'm very impressed with it so far.
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Steve Richter
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Steve:
Thanks for the info. I usually just buy Storm Balls but every once in awhile I try another brand and with all the talk about the Cell last year I had to try one. In 30+ years of buying balls the Cell is one of my top 5 favorites. I will definitely be ordering a pearl Cell as soon as they are available. Hopefully the wait won't be much longer.
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Steve:
Thanks for the info. I usually just buy Storm Balls but every once in awhile I try another brand and with all the talk about the Cell last year I had to try one. In 30+ years of buying balls the Cell is one of my top 5 favorites. I will definitely be ordering a pearl Cell as soon as they are available. Hopefully the wait won't be much longer.
Just to let you know, Roto-Grip is owned by Storm, so Roto balls are produced by Storm in Utah, so they are really the same company, like how Ebonite owns Hammer, Columbia, and Track
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Steve:
Thanks for the info. I usually just buy Storm Balls but every once in awhile I try another brand and with all the talk about the Cell last year I had to try one. In 30+ years of buying balls the Cell is one of my top 5 favorites. I will definitely be ordering a pearl Cell as soon as they are available. Hopefully the wait won't be much longer.
Just to let you know, Roto-Grip is owned by Storm, so Roto balls are produced by Storm in Utah, so they are really the same company, like how Ebonite owns Hammer, Columbia, and Track
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Yes I am aware Storm makes Roto Grip balls but the coverstocks and cores are different. It's my understanding that even though Storm makes the RG balls RG still designs their own balls.
Edited on 7/19/2008 8:32 PM
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yeah, I was just pointing out a fact
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It's my understanding that even though Storm makes the RG balls RG still designs their own balls.
Kind of. As far as I know it is the same design and manufacturing team. It is a different family of balls with different cover stocks and cores - just a different brands within the same company.
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yeah, I was just pointing out a fact
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Even more so, Roto-Grip uses a different resin supplier than Storm does. So their covers are not just renamed Storm resins, like the former Columbia and Track relationship. They are actually completely different.
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Jorge,
I recieved my Grand Illusion and Illusion last week. I will be doing a full comparison video between the cell, grand illusion and illusion. All will be OOB and have the same layout on them. Hopefully this will give you a visual of the differences between all 3.
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Jorge,
I recieved my Grand Illusion and Illusion last week. I will be doing a full comparison video between the cell, grand illusion and illusion. All will be OOB and have the same layout on them. Hopefully this will give you a visual of the differences between all 3.
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Britton,
Cool. I haven't looked at one of your videoa in a while, but please make sure you point out the lane conditions you are bowling on. Let me know when it is done and I'll have a look though. Thanks.
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Jorge300
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Britton,
Cool. I haven't looked at one of your videoa in a while, but please make sure you point out the lane conditions you are bowling on. Let me know when it is done and I'll have a look though. Thanks.
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Jorge300
The video will be on Scorpion and a House Shot, i always make sure the conditions im filming on are stated in the videos.
I filmed the Scorpion portion last night and i must say these 3 balls complement eachother VERY well. The illusion is definetly the most angular of the 3, very clean through the front with a powerful and angular move in the back.
The cell, as always forced me to get very deep on the lane to give it enough room to make its move...this ball never ceases to amaze me, no matter how many boards i have to cover this thing still rolls up and hits. Very forgiving down lane as always.
The Grand illusion seems to have taken the best from both balls...the Backend Strength of an Illusion with the Forgiveness and Predictability of a Cell. I was about 5 boards right with my GI from my cell and i was about 4 boards farther right with the Illusion...good seperation and difference of motions between the 3 making it very easy to own all 3.
I am really looking forward to throwing the Grand Illusion on a house shot...95% of the time my cell is way too much for the house shot and i really think this grand illusion is going to give me a GREAT look
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Edited on 7/23/2008 7:22 AM
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Britton,
I hate to make life tough on you, but you might want to also include a comparison of the stock Grand Illusion (2000 grit Abralon polished) to Cell, with polish over its stock 2000 grit Abralon matte finish.
OR,
you could compare the Cell to the Grand Illusion with the polish removed by a 2000 grit Abralon pad. So both finishes are the same.
Either one would tell us how strong their relative coverstocks were.
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Heh, i would love to see the cell at 500 abralon + polish vs the GI OOB.
Thats just me tho,lol
Shawn
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Roger,
Is it true that Storm and Roto use different resin suppliers?
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yeah, I was just pointing out a fact
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Even more so, Roto-Grip uses a different resin supplier than Storm does. So their covers are not just renamed Storm resins, like the former Columbia and Track relationship. They are actually completely different.
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Unofficial Ballreviews.com FAQ (http://"http://home.mchsi.com/~s-cross-7-28-71/FAQ.htm")
It used to be true. Roger had told us that a couple of years back, when the RS series was around. I do not lie.
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Saw Grand Illusion in action last night. It's amazing how close that ball rolls to the motion of a polished Cell rather than an Illusion with surface.
Ignore everything you may understand about numbers and coverstock for a second and take the ball's design for what it's worth. It looks like it bridges the gap between the Cell and everything else perfectly and gives a very different and distinguished motion than the original Illusion.
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DP3...
Your decription sounds great! I am drooling already! Can't wait....
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They are now the same supplier for their mid and high end stuff. I cannot vouch for the Tropicals and Planets.
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Steve Richter
Roto Grip Amateur Staff Member