Author Topic: Cell/mass bias question (Read 1173 times)

tdub36tjt · « **on:** November 10, 2008, 10:00:11 AM »

I have seen only a few people that the Cell/Cell Pearl, didn't match up and it would roll out, but I have seen a handful. Now I noticed after a local Roto Staffer drilled his first Cell Pearl (mb kicked out) that it rolled out and he just didn't match up with the ball. So he got another one and put the mass bias directly below the thumb and this one is just straight sick. It has a ton of backend and nice midlane read. So he made me want one, especially since I love the Cell so much.

So anyways, after that little rant. I noticed all 3 people that I know the Cell burnt up on had the mb kicked out. However, the Cell I have has the mb kicked out and its sick. So my driller suggested keeping the mb by the thumb or in the thumb. But what would make the mass bias being kicked out cause these people to have the ball roll out?? Is there something in there roll that should be looked for that would cause it? And is there something to look for that putting the mass bias in or near the thumb could cause a bad reaction? Sorry I am all over a little.

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2008, 07:20:59 PM »

The Cells have a significant mass bias strength.
The action on the ball's reaction of the MB's placement is relatively high on strong mass bias balls. WHile the pin placement is more significant, the MB's position can destroy or help the pin's position.

While distances, angles of the pin & the MB with respect to your PAP should be figured out completely and accurately, IN THE VAGUEST GENERAL TERMS,
MBs placed near your PAP or your VAL will make the ball want to go into a roll very quickly. The higher the MB strength, the greater this tendency is.
MBs placed on the track side of the thumb WILL HAVE A TENDENCY to reduce the amount of the backend. The greater the MB strength, the greater this tendency,

MBs WILL ALLOW THE BALL TO HAVE THE GREATEST BACKEND when placed in a position about halfway inbetween the above two. Often, for the AVERAGE PAP bowler, this is about 1" - 2" to the PAP side of the thumb hole.

THis whole placement process for the MB is very much like the pin placement. When the pin is on the PAP, the balls goes into a roll immediately. When the pin is in the track, it allows the ball to get its greatest length. Halfway in between those two position, 3 3/8" from the PAP (called leverage), is the greatest imbalance and the greatest flare POTENTIAL. Very similar to the MB's positioning.

AGAIN, this is all very general. Pin AND MB positioning must be according to your PAP and ball speed and tilt, etc.
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Edited on 11/10/2008 8:22 PM

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2008, 07:30:34 PM »

Thanks Charlest, I figured it would be you to explain this. I guess I will try to keep the mb about an inch from the thumb on the pearl see if I can't get the bigger backend I am looking for just worried it might go too long??
My PAP is 4 9/16 over 3/8 up.

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** November 10, 2008, 07:47:49 PM »

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Thanks Charlest, I figured it would be you to explain this. I guess I will try to keep the mb about an inch from the thumb on the pearl see if I can't get the bigger backend I am looking for just worried it might go too long??
My PAP is 4 9/16 over 3/8 up.

That's pretty generic. Mine is in that range and I put my solid Cell's MB about 1" PAP side of the thumb hole. It had plenty of backend.
BUT a knowledgable driller should really be involved because all the other release factors DO come into play in the final pin & MB positioning.

With the pearl, I've watch RG's "specialist" Mark Curran throw his and his has a pretty awesome backend. Pushing the MB a little closer to the PAP/VAL on the pearl (vs the solid) would add a measure of control, AGAIN, depending on your other release factors.
As an example: If a bowler has a lot of tilt or a lot of rotation, that makes a ball have a lot of backend, and that bowler should probably move the MB closer to the PAP than I would, who don't use a lot of rotation or tilt.
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