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GutterDawg

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Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« on: August 29, 2008, 09:00:46 AM »
Which current RotoGrip ball has the most similar reaction to the original Epic?  I have an Epic that has been my money ball for nearly 3 years and which fits my style perfectly.  Unfortunately after hundreds of games on some pretty pathetic lanes it is just about worn out so I'm looking to replace it before the fall league starts.  The Cell is probably the closest match looking at the numbers but I've heard people say it is much stronger.  Any advice is appreciated!
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2008, 06:20:26 PM »
My 2 cents:
I've seen a friend throw an Epic a lot last year. Yes, the Cell is the closest, especialy because of the strong cover and the asymmetric core. Just have your driller drill it weak enough. The ball is extremely versatile. A knowledgable driller should have no trouble doing that for you.

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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 01:26:32 PM »
Im gonna say go with a Grand Illusion instead of cell. its such a step up from the epic. Layout a grand illusion strong for your style and you'll have no regrets.
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2008, 02:25:10 PM »
I was going to say the same thing as The Dude myself a few days ago but didn't.

My Epic(s) both got down the lane easy enough and turned relatively strong when encountering friction.  Maybe scuff down the cover if need be to achieve closer results.
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Steve Richter

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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2008, 08:01:24 AM »
I agree.  Grand Illusion
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2008, 10:38:01 AM »
The Grand Illusion has the same coverstock as the old Epic.
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2008, 08:38:10 PM »
Thanks for the info guys.  I knew the Grand Illusion had the same cover as the original Epic but wasn't sure if the difference in the cores would make a dramatic difference in the reaction the ball had.  I think I may have to give a Grand Illusion a try.
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charlest

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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2008, 11:16:30 PM »
Sorry guys, I still don't understand your reasoning.

The Epic has/had the same coverstock as the GI, BUT the Epic's was sanded to 800 grit dull, while the GI's is sanded to 2000 grit Abralon PLUS a high gloss polish. That is a major difference right there.

On top of that the Epic's core has about the same RG but the Epic not only has more flare, .052" to .042", (very significant), the Epic also has a stronger mass bias strength compared to the GI's zero mass bias strength.

Unless your house blended oil pattern is hiding the difference between the Epic and the GI, those numbers SCREAM  "Major Difference".

Maybe you're just seeing more flip and backend from the polished GI???
Maybe your Epic is too old or oil soaked to perform as it did when new.

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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2008, 07:16:26 AM »
Comet:
The GI does not have the same cover as the Epic.  Yes, by name it does, but Roger came on here to say that the formulation was tweaked with some of the properties of the CELL cover.  I think there is a big difference and the change Roger mentioned is more significant than he gives himself (and Hank) credit for.

Charlest:
I agree, if you compare by numbers alone.  However, in ball motion and in this current arsenal of offerings, that is the closest in motion, IMO.
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2008, 07:19:16 AM »
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Charlest:
I agree, if you compare by numbers alone. However, in ball motion and in this current arsenal of offerings, that is the closest in motion, IMO.
 


Jeff,

Steve would know pretty well.  Great bowler and drills RG stuff everyday plus has rolled both.  

Steve,

How does the Grand Illusion compare to the old Silver Streak Solid?  Some say it's as close as RG has gotten.  True?
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2008, 07:22:58 AM »
Roger said previously the cover may have the same name as the Epic's but the chemical matrix is close to the Cell's.

Not disagreeing or anything, but more or less showing how one person's mileage may or will vary.

For me the GI is more comparable, I probably wouldn't be able to use the Cell OOB in any league I bowl in or I would have purchased it.  Last year I used the Epic almost entirely because it did the job well.  Then again that's the problem with house shots like Jeff said, reactions are masked.

Most of the OOB Cell's I've seen are very rolly, my Epic responded quickly to friction like the GI does.  I'm not saying the Cell can't but you might need to perform various cover adjustments to achieve that.

You probably can't go wrong with either ball and both may require fine tuning.  Hell you probably should buy both.

Just my two cents.
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2008, 08:07:16 AM »
Anthony,

In my original reply I did say you need to drill the Cell weaker. Even cover may need adjusting.

If the Epic and the GI covers are NOT the same, then, of ocurse, all bets are off. That was in my list of Ifs.

Steve,

The ball motion maybe be similar, but the strong core in the Epic must have some influence over the ballmotion that the symmetric GI's cores does not.

I've seen A_P_K's Epic perform numerous times last season. We are onthe same team. While I will soon see the GI, my Cell when sanded to 4000 grit Abralon, has a backend motion much like Anthony's Epic and similar whiplash effect. (A_P_K's and my ball release are quie different.)

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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2008, 11:11:44 AM »
Steve-If the cover isn't the same as the Epic why do they call it the same thing? Just wondering.
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2008, 03:57:14 PM »
Numbers are one thing, and reality are another. The numbers and description of the quest made it a great oil monster, and it was a meak. In the backends the grand illusion and Epic are closer than a cell could be, the cell with a very strong rolly core, and the epic with a taller core was more loopy down the lane. The GI is a similar style of core taller and gets down the lane easier. in my post i suggested he lay out the ball strong enough and he will achieve a reaction closest to his epic.

The Epic was a hammer, the Cell was a Jack Hammer. Huge Difference, and besides the epic's MB rating wasn't as high as the cell's.
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Re: Current ball most comparable to the Epic
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2008, 04:25:32 PM »
Timothy,

The numbers would be extremely significant IF the covers were the same. The Cell is rolly with BOTH a strong pin AND the stock surface. CHange either and the ball reaction deoes change.

I DID SAY, "Drill the Cell weaker"
I DID SAY, "IF the coverstocks are the same".

Mass Bias strength of Epic is .024"
Mass Bias of Cell is .017".
Epic's asymmetry is stronger than the Cell.
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