Author Topic: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Preview (Read 8636 times)

Luke Rosdahl · « **on:** October 13, 2017, 11:15:39 AM »

Nothing here you can't learn on the webpage, but I do have a few thoughts regarding both of these. Thanks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ad5v298xB4

JazlarVonSteich · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2017, 12:04:43 PM »

I'm not sure I see the Danger as fitting in between the Trick and original Daredevil. I suspect it will be the weakest of the 3 balls. The original Daredevil has the NRP cover. The Danger has the Hustle SAY cover. We can agree that the Hustle hybrid and pearls have stronger covers than their placement in the lineup, but stronger than the NRP cover?

Then we have the new Show Off using the PRO cover. That's also going to be interesting to see how the new ball is going to react. The Danger will definitely be the stronger between the two new balls, but how both balls react compared to their categories will be interesting to see. As I posted in another thread, I will be surprised if they match up strong, medium, and weak with solid, hybrid, and pearl.

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #2 on:** October 13, 2017, 12:14:06 PM »

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on October 13, 2017, 12:04:43 PM

I'm not sure I see the Danger as fitting in between the Trick and original Daredevil. I suspect it will be the weakest of the 3 balls. The original Daredevil has the NRP cover. The Danger has the Hustle SAY cover. We can agree that the Hustle hybrid and pearls have stronger covers than their placement in the lineup, but stronger than the NRP cover?

Then we have the new Show Off using the PRO cover. That's also going to be interesting to see how the new ball is going to react. The Danger will definitely be the stronger between the two new balls, but how both balls react compared to their categories will be interesting to see. As I posted in another thread, I will be surprised if they match up strong, medium, and weak with solid, hybrid, and pearl.

Danger may not be stronger than the DD, but I do think it'll be a more controllable readable reaction with more length and movement than the Trick. Which is exactly what I want right now. Schlem compares it to the Hy-Wire. I see it being a touch earlier as that Hy-Wire had some length to it.

I think the Show Off will be like the Wreck-It.

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #3 on:** October 13, 2017, 12:23:02 PM »

That's fair. Those hybrid Hustle covers are actually really strong, Schlemer himself said the Danger cover is stronger than the Hywire cover was, that's where I got that from, and the Hywire is pretty strong. I think the SAY and the PRO suffered from covers that were way too strong for the cores. NRP cover is strong, but that core is a beast, and a lot of flare can make a huge difference. Hyroad Pearl and Code Black are totally different balls with the same cover, but the Black has the strongest legal core on the market, and the Black is an arrow and a half stronger. The Madcap core dominates the shape of the Dare Devil line, so I'm curious. You make a great point though . .

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on October 13, 2017, 12:04:43 PM

I'm not sure I see the Danger as fitting in between the Trick and original Daredevil. I suspect it will be the weakest of the 3 balls. The original Daredevil has the NRP cover. The Danger has the Hustle SAY cover. We can agree that the Hustle hybrid and pearls have stronger covers than their placement in the lineup, but stronger than the NRP cover?

Then we have the new Show Off using the PRO cover. That's also going to be interesting to see how the new ball is going to react. The Danger will definitely be the stronger between the two new balls, but how both balls react compared to their categories will be interesting to see. As I posted in another thread, I will be surprised if they match up strong, medium, and weak with solid, hybrid, and pearl.

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #4 on:** October 13, 2017, 12:24:42 PM »

I think the Show Off will be the flippiest one or the one most like the Hywire. High RG, high diff, it's going to shoot down the lane and turn sideways. I don't see the Danger being anything like the Hywire. If it is, I'll be stunned out of my shoes.

Quote from: AlonzoHarris on October 13, 2017, 12:14:06 PM

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on October 13, 2017, 12:04:43 PM
I'm not sure I see the Danger as fitting in between the Trick and original Daredevil. I suspect it will be the weakest of the 3 balls. The original Daredevil has the NRP cover. The Danger has the Hustle SAY cover. We can agree that the Hustle hybrid and pearls have stronger covers than their placement in the lineup, but stronger than the NRP cover?

Then we have the new Show Off using the PRO cover. That's also going to be interesting to see how the new ball is going to react. The Danger will definitely be the stronger between the two new balls, but how both balls react compared to their categories will be interesting to see. As I posted in another thread, I will be surprised if they match up strong, medium, and weak with solid, hybrid, and pearl.

Danger may not be stronger than the DD, but I do think it'll be a more controllable readable reaction with more length and movement than the Trick. Which is exactly what I want right now. Schlem compares it to the Hy-Wire. I see it being a touch earlier as that Hy-Wire had some length to it.

I think the Show Off will be like the Wreck-It.

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #5 on:** October 13, 2017, 12:29:30 PM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on October 13, 2017, 12:23:02 PM

That's fair. Those hybrid Hustle covers are actually really strong, Schlemer himself said the Danger cover is stronger than the Hywire cover was, that's where I got that from, and the Hywire is pretty strong. I think the SAY and the PRO suffered from covers that were way too strong for the cores. NRP cover is strong, but that core is a beast, and a lot of flare can make a huge difference. Hyroad Pearl and Code Black are totally different balls with the same cover, but the Black has the strongest legal core on the market, and the Black is an arrow and a half stronger. The Madcap core dominates the shape of the Dare Devil line, so I'm curious. You make a great point though . .

Quote from: JazlarVonSteich on October 13, 2017, 12:04:43 PM
I'm not sure I see the Danger as fitting in between the Trick and original Daredevil. I suspect it will be the weakest of the 3 balls. The original Daredevil has the NRP cover. The Danger has the Hustle SAY cover. We can agree that the Hustle hybrid and pearls have stronger covers than their placement in the lineup, but stronger than the NRP cover?

Then we have the new Show Off using the PRO cover. That's also going to be interesting to see how the new ball is going to react. The Danger will definitely be the stronger between the two new balls, but how both balls react compared to their categories will be interesting to see. As I posted in another thread, I will be surprised if they match up strong, medium, and weak with solid, hybrid, and pearl.

Madcap core seemed like a "safe bet" but I'm not complaining at all haha.

CoorZero · « **Reply #6 on:** October 13, 2017, 01:30:44 PM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on October 13, 2017, 12:23:02 PM

That's fair. Those hybrid Hustle covers are actually really strong, Schlemer himself said the Danger cover is stronger than the Hywire cover was, that's where I got that from, and the Hywire is pretty strong. I think the SAY and the PRO suffered from covers that were way too strong for the cores. NRP cover is strong, but that core is a beast, and a lot of flare can make a huge difference. Hyroad Pearl and Code Black are totally different balls with the same cover, but the Black has the strongest legal core on the market, and the Black is an arrow and a half stronger. The Madcap core dominates the shape of the Dare Devil line, so I'm curious. You make a great point though . .

The Hy-Wire cover was R2S Hybrid wasn't it?

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #7 on:** October 13, 2017, 01:52:36 PM »

Not entirely sure, but wouldn't be surprised. Didn't seem like it to me, but maybe it was. The Show Off cover is the Nano cover, so if it wasn't exactly, it was probably really close.

Quote from: CoorZero on October 13, 2017, 01:30:44 PM

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on October 13, 2017, 12:23:02 PM
That's fair. Those hybrid Hustle covers are actually really strong, Schlemer himself said the Danger cover is stronger than the Hywire cover was, that's where I got that from, and the Hywire is pretty strong. I think the SAY and the PRO suffered from covers that were way too strong for the cores. NRP cover is strong, but that core is a beast, and a lot of flare can make a huge difference. Hyroad Pearl and Code Black are totally different balls with the same cover, but the Black has the strongest legal core on the market, and the Black is an arrow and a half stronger. The Madcap core dominates the shape of the Dare Devil line, so I'm curious. You make a great point though . .

The Hy-Wire cover was R2S Hybrid wasn't it?

JazlarVonSteich · « **Reply #8 on:** October 13, 2017, 01:56:19 PM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on October 13, 2017, 12:23:02 PM

That's fair. Those hybrid Hustle covers are actually really strong, Schlemer himself said the Danger cover is stronger than the Hywire cover was, that's where I got that from, and the Hywire is pretty strong. I think the SAY and the PRO suffered from covers that were way too strong for the cores. NRP cover is strong, but that core is a beast, and a lot of flare can make a huge difference. Hyroad Pearl and Code Black are totally different balls with the same cover, but the Black has the strongest legal core on the market, and the Black is an arrow and a half stronger. The Madcap core dominates the shape of the Dare Devil line, so I'm curious. You make a great point though . .

As I said, it will be interesting to see. All educated guessing at this point. I mentioned the NRP cover as that is also on the original Daredevil. The only real difference I see in the two balls is shape. The NRP handles a little more oil for me, but I wouldn't say it is a huge difference. I also don't have these balls drilled remotely the same. NRP is 4x4x1, if I recall. And the Daredevil is 5x3x4. Trick is as well.

I haven't thrown the hybrid hustles. However, now that I've thought about it more, my Hustle POW is very close in strength to my Daredevil. So the Danger very well could fit in between the Trick and Daredevil.

Originally, my plan was to buy the eventual hybrid (love the first two balls) and drill them the same. Keep the Trick in the 1000-2000 range. Hybrid at 3000-4000. And DD shiny. Still likely the plan, but I'm not as set in stone as I was when the hybrid was just an assumption.

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #9 on:** October 13, 2017, 04:20:50 PM »

Quote from: CoorZero on October 13, 2017, 01:30:44 PM

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on October 13, 2017, 12:23:02 PM
That's fair. Those hybrid Hustle covers are actually really strong, Schlemer himself said the Danger cover is stronger than the Hywire cover was, that's where I got that from, and the Hywire is pretty strong. I think the SAY and the PRO suffered from covers that were way too strong for the cores. NRP cover is strong, but that core is a beast, and a lot of flare can make a huge difference. Hyroad Pearl and Code Black are totally different balls with the same cover, but the Black has the strongest legal core on the market, and the Black is an arrow and a half stronger. The Madcap core dominates the shape of the Dare Devil line, so I'm curious. You make a great point though . .

The Hy-Wire cover was R2S Hybrid wasn't it?

62M so who really knows. Probably close if not.

northface28 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 13, 2017, 05:05:01 PM »

RotoGrip would really benefit from a more streamlined, transparent approach around their coverstocks.

CoorZero · « **Reply #11 on:** October 13, 2017, 09:28:24 PM »

Quote from: northface28 on October 13, 2017, 05:05:01 PM

RotoGrip would really benefit from a more streamlined, transparent approach around their coverstocks.

I think they are getting there, at least closer to Storm's method. Seeing a lot of coverstocks used on multiple balls in different lines lately.

tunaman4u2 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 09, 2017, 07:46:54 PM »

I was considering this ball for my friend, he has a Rhino right now & needs a "pro" ball for when we get a little bit of oil. This place has a shorter house pattern that gets chewed up before we even start in our 6 person league. I think the Solid Trick would be too much & I know that I have trouble using my Radical Ridiculous Pearl because i either hit dry middle or carrydown to the right. I was hoping the hybrid version would give the best of both worlds but if its really just the hustle coverstock, thats a bit disappointing. I'd like to have something that can handle a fair amount of oil but also kinda take some dry. Really dry he'll use the rhino for.
Thoughts on if we should wait for this release or theres a better product in the rotogrip/storm line now?

Luke Rosdahl · « **Reply #13 on:** November 09, 2017, 10:13:42 PM »

These balls are arriving for me tomorrow so I'll have videos up at some point this weekend I hope.

JazlarVonSteich · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2017, 10:30:49 AM »

Quote from: Luke Rosdahl on November 09, 2017, 10:13:42 PM

These balls are arriving for me tomorrow so I'll have videos up at some point this weekend I hope.

It will be interesting to see the reactions for these.

Going back to the earlier discussion, I just checked that core/cover chart that someone posted awhile ago. The Stoked cover is apparently the weakest resin cover. The Psyched is not much higher - well below Amped. So either the chart is wrong, or there is not much separation between their higher end and lower end covers.

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