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In case you haven't checked it out here they are.
Would be interesting looking at these and comparing to Luke's opinion.  I think we are flipped between the 2 balls :-)

Anyway, check it out and let me know what you think.  You can either read it or listen to it.

http://tamerbowling.com/roto-grip-dare-devil-danger-bowling-ball-review/

http://tamerbowling.com/roto-grip-all-out-show-off-bowling-ball-review/
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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2017, 06:58:51 PM »
Haha I watched them a few days ago when you put them up and thought the same thing.  I love the All Out but wasn't sold on the Danger initially, and while I love it now, I STILL have them opposite.  All Out comes out on fresh and Danger is my burn ball.
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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2017, 07:46:05 PM »
Haha I watched them a few days ago when you put them up and thought the same thing.  I love the All Out but wasn't sold on the Danger initially, and while I love it now, I STILL have them opposite.  All Out comes out on fresh and Danger is my burn ball.
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Yeah, and we all loved the Danger immediately.  I think it comes down to what people bowl on.  On the higher volume house shot and sport shot we tested on, All-Out was more "meh" than the Danger.  Danger looked amazing.  To be fair, it was easy to strike with both balls on our THS.  The motion on the All-Out just wasn't something I can fall in love with for me personally.
For me, I'm also not a huge fan of the shiny factory finish on fresh around here and they are both the same OOB finish. 
Anyway, that's why it's good for people to get multiple reviews and eyes on ball reaction. 

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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2017, 11:17:37 PM »
tamer, the shape that luke saw with the aoso was smoother while the ddd had more of a skid snap type of reaction. is this the same look that you got from both pieces?

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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2017, 09:41:27 AM »
tamer, the shape that luke saw with the aoso was smoother while the ddd had more of a skid snap type of reaction. is this the same look that you got from both pieces?

No, we did not see the same.  None of our testers found the DDD really skid flip.  It's midlane read was so obvious to us and then had good punch downlane.  I would say the All-Out looked more prone to over/under because the core plays less of a role in that ball.  I think you really have to look at the conditions bowled on as well.  I think the All-Out will match up really well as the volumes decrease.  Lower volume adds "torque" to the ball reaction so you don't need to core to do as much.  So if Luke is testing on a lower volume than we are, I can see why the Danger might look over/under. 

With that said, Luke likes his Danger in "garbage time" when it's broken down so not sure how to reconcile that...other than the style bowler and condition.

I also tested the Danger in a separate house with clean pro anvilane surface that really accentuates over/under if a ball has it and I did not see over/under.  I saw over at times but not under which means I needed to move in even further.
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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2017, 09:57:48 AM »
tamer, the shape that luke saw with the aoso was smoother while the ddd had more of a skid snap type of reaction. is this the same look that you got from both pieces?

No, we did not see the same.  None of our testers found the DDD really skid flip.  It's midlane read was so obvious to us and then had good punch downlane.  I would say the All-Out looked more prone to over/under because the core plays less of a role in that ball.  I think you really have to look at the conditions bowled on as well.  I think the All-Out will match up really well as the volumes decrease.  Lower volume adds "torque" to the ball reaction so you don't need to core to do as much.  So if Luke is testing on a lower volume than we are, I can see why the Danger might look over/under. 

With that said, Luke likes his Danger in "garbage time" when it's broken down so not sure how to reconcile that...other than the style bowler and condition.

I also tested the Danger in a separate house with clean pro anvilane surface that really accentuates over/under if a ball has it and I did not see over/under.  I saw over at times but not under which means I needed to move in even further.

I'm a bit surprised the core seems so out of play in the All-Out since it has more diff and a weaker cover around it.
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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2017, 10:30:24 AM »
I do notice the core thing with the All Out, it just doesn't have the guts to stay strong and punchy from deep.  With the Danger, I still have to have plenty of head oil for it to work, but its wheelhouse for me is when the track gets destroyed, then I jump an arrow left and bump the friction, playing on top of it isn't an option, but using it as a buffer right is perfect.  Miss right, strong recovery, miss left, it sits. 

The conditions I've used it on so far have been fairly dry.  More volume might allow me to play straighter and hence eliminate some of the over/under. 

tamer, the shape that luke saw with the aoso was smoother while the ddd had more of a skid snap type of reaction. is this the same look that you got from both pieces?

No, we did not see the same.  None of our testers found the DDD really skid flip.  It's midlane read was so obvious to us and then had good punch downlane.  I would say the All-Out looked more prone to over/under because the core plays less of a role in that ball.  I think you really have to look at the conditions bowled on as well.  I think the All-Out will match up really well as the volumes decrease.  Lower volume adds "torque" to the ball reaction so you don't need to core to do as much.  So if Luke is testing on a lower volume than we are, I can see why the Danger might look over/under. 

With that said, Luke likes his Danger in "garbage time" when it's broken down so not sure how to reconcile that...other than the style bowler and condition.

I also tested the Danger in a separate house with clean pro anvilane surface that really accentuates over/under if a ball has it and I did not see over/under.  I saw over at times but not under which means I needed to move in even further.

I'm a bit surprised the core seems so out of play in the All-Out since it has more diff and a weaker cover around it.
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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2017, 11:36:51 AM »
I do notice the core thing with the All Out, it just doesn't have the guts to stay strong and punchy from deep.  With the Danger, I still have to have plenty of head oil for it to work, but its wheelhouse for me is when the track gets destroyed, then I jump an arrow left and bump the friction, playing on top of it isn't an option, but using it as a buffer right is perfect.  Miss right, strong recovery, miss left, it sits. 

The conditions I've used it on so far have been fairly dry.  More volume might allow me to play straighter and hence eliminate some of the over/under. 

tamer, the shape that luke saw with the aoso was smoother while the ddd had more of a skid snap type of reaction. is this the same look that you got from both pieces?

No, we did not see the same.  None of our testers found the DDD really skid flip.  It's midlane read was so obvious to us and then had good punch downlane.  I would say the All-Out looked more prone to over/under because the core plays less of a role in that ball.  I think you really have to look at the conditions bowled on as well.  I think the All-Out will match up really well as the volumes decrease.  Lower volume adds "torque" to the ball reaction so you don't need to core to do as much.  So if Luke is testing on a lower volume than we are, I can see why the Danger might look over/under. 

With that said, Luke likes his Danger in "garbage time" when it's broken down so not sure how to reconcile that...other than the style bowler and condition.

I also tested the Danger in a separate house with clean pro anvilane surface that really accentuates over/under if a ball has it and I did not see over/under.  I saw over at times but not under which means I needed to move in even further.

I'm a bit surprised the core seems so out of play in the All-Out since it has more diff and a weaker cover around it.

So speculation is that on a higher volume, synthetic lane house shot, the Danger may be more plausible on the fresh than the All-Out?
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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2017, 12:03:32 PM »


So speculation is that on a higher volume, synthetic lane house shot, the Danger may be more plausible on the fresh than the All-Out?
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I don't see why that couldn't be true on wood lanes either, especially given they will have more natural friction and smooth it out more.

In the end, I'm not a big fan of this highly polished out of box finish for fresh shots but the higher friction lower volume house shots, you probably could use either ball on fresh OOB.  We just found the Danger much more rolly, even though it is probably also more punchy than the All-Out.  All-Out is what I call a "thin" reaction.  Core doesn't do much so cover dominates the ball reaction.  You could see it because there isn't that much midlane motion from the torque of the core.  With the Danger, you can clearly see the torquey nature of the lower RG core.  Sometimes midlane read tricks people into thinking skid/flip because it just allows the ball to read sooner and therefore hook earlier or more. 

These days for me around here, shiny symmetric middle or low end pearls are not go to on fresh because I'm either on a heavier house shot or a sport shot.  To my eyes, the All-Out reacted more like a pearl, a bit like the Sky Rocket. 
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2017, 12:25:33 PM »
Yeah I'd agree with that.  Danger does roll a lot heavier.  The original Show Off was the thin one for me, too much cover, not enough core BUT on heavier volumes I imagine it's pretty good. 
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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2017, 12:39:12 PM »
So - how would the two compare to the OG Hy-Road in terms of overall strength, oil handling ability, and shape?
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Re: Dare Devil Danger and All-Out Show Off Reviews by TamerBowling.com
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2017, 09:27:06 PM »
So - how would the two compare to the OG Hy-Road in terms of overall strength, oil handling ability, and shape?
the Hyroad is going to be less ball overall but is smoother overall in the way it transitions through skid hook and roll. As both balls “calm down” and lane shine they may separate or come closer together. Hard to say this early.
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