Author Topic: defiant??? will it really live up to the talk that it is getting>> (Read 8910 times)

ithinkican · « **on:** January 03, 2012, 02:37:38 PM »

i am a roto grip and storm fan. this ball is gettin the same level of talk about it as that nano pearl did. i bought the nano pearl and i was not that impressed with it. i like the arcs and design of the core and coverstock of the defiant and i hope it is better than the cell like some say it will be. but come on. is all this talk really necessary? when not too many people have even seen the balls real motion in person yet. all we see on video reviews, is when the ball strikes. i mean come on, i throw nearly 20-25 strikes everytime i bowl league

tloy · « **Reply #16 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:09:01 AM »

I believe it was a Storm Ball that Brian was throwing, not the Defiant. He had the Defiant but I never saw him throw it.....I will post some reviews next week as I am getting mine drilled tomorrow..

Todd Loy
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bowlingnut18 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:22:37 AM »

It was the defiant in his hand, although I never saw the telecast, the update video from Randy posted by Storm said was throwing it.

I don't think this ball lives up the hype everyone else is making it out to be. I drilled mine last night and everyone who walked by and saw it on the bench as I was laying it out and talking to my G/F's father about weather it was the correct layout for me all said the same thing, "wow that's that new Roto Grip, I heard it is a monster that will hook the whole lane". Granted I can hook it from gutter to gutter, but this ball does not produce a violent turn like everyone seems to be in assumption that a high performance ball will make. For me, 4x4x2 easy drilling put the pin over ring finger with a 3.5" pin and produced some excellent results for what I was looking for.

The ball was tested last night for 2 games on extreme carry down, what I saw on minimum oil in the heads and midlane with backends pretty slick makes me want to throw on fresh oil up front even more. This ball for myself gets me clean through the midlane and allows me to push past it all on any angle. The movement is a "committed arc" as I can only describe it, the ball just makes its decision to arc and really turns the corner without sacrificing too much energy to do so. I'm not a great bowler, and I'm not the most knowledgeable as far as tech terms and whatnot, but I see this ball as something that will get me through the fronts weather they are dry or not, and really cuts though the backend with heavy arc which produces some great pin action.

I played many different lines last night, and the only time I had an issue is when I didn't let the ball venture out to the right and play around. If I tugged it, it made me aware of it, if I sailed it wide, it still got back. I only shot 220 and 210 with it, but I was not shooting at spares, and was trying various lines almost every other frame, so overall I can say it's got great potential in my hand.

DeadWood Pro Shop · « **Reply #18 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:26:42 AM »

I had the opportunity to attend one of Tyler Jensens demos, and met Victor Marion. To me, it seems like storm is just upgrading their current lines for the sake of reliability. While rotogrip is trying new things every year. storm weight bloke tend to be more uniform and standard in shape. Rotogrip always has some funky new designs going into thei equipment. And the ball motions have benefitted from it. This ball, from the few that I've drilled, had a very smooth continuous very heavy roll. It's not going to whip back like some balls, but it will provide constant predictable motions down lane. The guys that are going to benefit most from this will be the lower rev guys. The ball will pick up earlier and start rolling to the pocket like the cell did, just in a stronger shape and motion. The higher rev guys are going to like ball on heavier or flatter shots. I threw one, and couldn't keep it right of the head pin on a house shot. All in all, I feel that the hype is deserved. This ball will give the smooth and strong down lane shape that everyone loved from the cell.

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tywithay · « **Reply #19 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:40:12 AM »

It will get the same reviews every bowling ball gets, especially heavy oil bowling balls. Some will say it's the best ball in history, I shot back to back 300's and 800's with it, it carries the world; keep in mind this is usually staffers with 230+ avgs. Some will say they really like it and it has a place in their bag. Others will say, its ok, but wasn't really what I was expecting. Then lastly, some will say...this stupid ball doesn't hook at all, it doesn't even hook as much as my slingshot. These are the morons trying to throw it on their second shift house shot on wood lanes and don't understand that its burnt up before it even hits the arrows.

As with any ball, some love it, some like it, some hate it; it'll always be this way because no 2 people bowl the same. No reason for there to be extra hype for any ball.

ithinkican · « **Reply #20 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:52:50 AM »

haha. i agree with you completely. I use to review that way a while back. but im learning alot everyday about this sport and i try to provide as much feedback as possible besides the scores that i have shot with it. i mean anything is possible. i spot a 754 at a tournament one time with a roto grip spare tire. """"best ball ever!!!!!"""""

jaydee · « **Reply #21 on:** January 13, 2012, 11:59:31 AM »

Wait, I thought every "next" ball is suppose to be the greatest ball ever thrown? The problem is, staffers go so over the top with praise on every release, you don't really know what's really good until you hear it from a good number of people without vested interest. Which takes at least a month or two.

Jorge300 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 16, 2012, 10:14:25 AM »

Let me add a little more to this topic. I just the Aulby bracket finals this weekend. Kretzer was throwing a Storm ball for the first 3 games....he switched to the Defiant in the last game. It may not have looked good but then again Belmonte was just coming off a 300 game and only shot 190. The shot was broken down, balls were hooking early, but there was too much oil to move much further left and have the ball recover. It would have been difficult to make any ball look good at the point that Kretzer brought out the Defiant.

I haven't thrown this ball yet. Once I do, I will be posting a review. I can only go by what I saw with someone bowling on our pair with last week in league. The house has new synthetic lanes and plays very slick. The gentlemen throwing it is a very very good tournament bowler, one of the best in Canada. But the reason he was bowling was that he was just coming off hurting his back and wanted to bowl a few games before going to a tournament, so not at 100% and he still made this ball look golden. It has very heavy roll, picked up well in the midlane when most other ball would not. He was maybe 15mph, so I expected him to be deeper then my 18.5MPH, but he was probably 10 boards deeper at the arrows then I was. And easily 4-5 boards deeper then any other RH we bowled against.

Will this ball live up to the hype? Well I will answer that with another question. How many balls actually livc up to the hype? Not many. The original Cell, the original Mission were probably two that did, but I can't think of too many more. And the real answer to that question will be left up to each bowler. It may live up to the hype for one bowler, but not another. All I can say at this point, from what I have seen, is if you are looking for a heavy oil ball, the Defiant is defiantely one you want to take a look at before making a purchase.

Jorge300

ithinkican · « **Reply #23 on:** January 16, 2012, 10:28:26 AM »

I have highly considered the defiant. I am suppose to be getting one shortly. I have been debating what layout i will use. I may go with something strong but more arc shaped with less snap. But ill make that final decision when it arrives. I think it will work fine for me. most equipment does. I just hope I can use it on multiple patterns like i use my virtual energy and cell

tloy · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2012, 03:05:40 PM »

I got my Defiant drilled up late Sat evening and only got to throw 2 games on a burnt house shot. Ball is drilled 4x4 pin above ring finger. I did not shoot that great, 191, 218 but I could tell from the reaction and pin carry it definatly had potential. I went bowling with the family today and the house had a little more oil down. I only got to bowl 1 game but it was a 298 so I would have to say if your house puts down a med-heavy shot this will be a Great Ball. I will review this once I get to throw it in league but I like what I see so far.....BTW I am not a staffer( I would love to be) normally carry 210 average but am down quite a bit this year 195( for personal reasons job ect).

Todd Loy
Roto Grip King of Them All!!!!

Edited by tloy on 1/17/2012 at 11:03 AM

230-n-up-or-bust · « **Reply #25 on:** January 16, 2012, 03:25:17 PM »

I'm not certain what's more annoying. The "This is the best ball of all time." thread or "Anyone else have their (insert ball name here) lose hook after (insert low number of games here)" thread. Are these good pills? Absolutely. Are they the best ever? NOBODY can tell you this after the ball's only been out to staffers and professionals for two months. Bottom line, I've got one, love it, and loved it so much, went to the Roto Grip seminar last week for some additional info on the ball and got another one in the process. If you think this type of ball has a place in your bag, take the matter up with your local PRO Shop, not hobby shop, operator to see what their take might be. If you've TRULY got a professional working with you, they'll figure out what might be best for you and your game at that time and help make the Defiant, or any other ball, a great purchase.

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ithinkican · « **Reply #26 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:45:04 AM »

the whole lost its hook just tells me that the bowler isnt taking care of his bowling equipment properly, he didnt get it resurfaced the way it originally came, or he exposed it to acetone to long............... I usually chit chat back in forth with my pro shop man about the layout and then i decide after i get his feedback. we usually agree pretty often but there are times he thinks im crazy with some of the things that i come up with and to his surprise it usually works better that he thought...

jet0832 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 17, 2012, 03:47:48 PM »

I've got to say I've never seen a heavy oil ball with this much pop on the backend! I just threw mine for the first time last night on a 40' sport pattern on a pro anvillane surface and it was crazy. I started with my Nano pin under the bridge, mass bias near the thumb hand scuffed to 1000 abrlon. Towards the end of game 2 I switched to the Defiant pin above the bridge mass bias near the thumb at box finish. What a difference! Where the Nano was more rolly with a little pop on the end, the Defiant really got down the lane and went sideways! So much so that it didn't even last a game. I saw no burn, just more and more down lane reaction. It was pretty incredible. I don't think anyone will be dissappointed in what this ball will give up!

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avabob · « **Reply #28 on:** February 14, 2012, 06:42:09 PM »

I had tremendous success with the Theory on longer patterns as they broke down. As a 280 rpm stroker, I am not use to getting super deep and watching a ball recover from 10 board with energy, but the Theory did just that. Only drawback was the shell tamed down quite a bit after 50--75 games.

I will try the Defiant simply because I think it is a tweaked Theory with a bit better push, but the same remarkable continuation. Theory was much better than my Nano, which didn't get the easy push unless a tweaked the cover.

ithinkican · « **Reply #29 on:** February 14, 2012, 08:36:22 PM »

I want to thank roto grip for such a great ball. I have a rev rate of nearly 400. I sanded this ball on 2000 then applied clean and dull to it. and i love it. oob this ball hooked far more thank my nano solid ever did. the continuation that this ball has is greater than my theories. and i love how this ball gives the user more of a hint as to when it is gonna start hooking up on you. i love it. roto grip has seriously out down itself this year

CPA · « **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2012, 06:47:20 AM »

Last night I bowled against a guy using the Defiant. He made the ball look great. He shot 855. My observations. The ball has a hard arc. It is not a snap. Also there is little to no deflection when going through the pins. This was on a house shot that is on the easy side and not on a sport shot or flatter pattern.

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