Let's give charlest a break. His point is very valid. Doesn't matter what ball out there a PBA pro is using if he throws it good it will strike. Personally, a couple weeks ago I shot 216 with a 6# Minnie Mouse Vis a Ball.

Some companies match up well to certain patterns and styles. There is no debate about that. But the non staff guys that say a certain brand is great always leave me scratching my head. Why would you limit yourself to one brand?

Everyone makes great products nowadays. Even the smaller companies like Lordfield, Jet, and Seismic. Would I recommend them to a customer?  No not really. I steer my customers to stuff that I have more experience and knowledge about. But they are still good balls.

And lastly....lets remember. ..the great majority of todays releases are parts balls. Storm for example has released a handful recently....only the Lucid is an all new cover and all new core combined. Same goes for the other brands.

Quote from: northface28 on February 19, 2013, 10:55:48 AM

Quote from: charlest on February 19, 2013, 07:20:28 AM

Quote from: LuckyLefty on February 19, 2013, 06:14:26 AM

Gomez with the Hyroad and the Shooting Star on the other lane won the match for him.

Great matchups great choices by him.

Regards,

Luckylefty

Sorry, Gomez won the match with execution and confidence. Balls don't win anything.

Ok, lets give him two Black Beautys and redo the match. Sound good?

 How about we give EVERYBODY a Black Beauty and redo the last 20 years?

Quote from: completebowler on February 20, 2013, 09:07:40 AM

Let's give charlest a break. His point is very valid. Doesn't matter what ball out there a PBA pro is using if he throws it good it will strike. Personally, a couple weeks ago I shot 216 with a 6# Minnie Mouse Vis a Ball.

Some companies match up well to certain patterns and styles. There is no debate about that. But the non staff guys that say a certain brand is great always leave me scratching my head. Why would you limit yourself to one brand?

Everyone makes great products nowadays. Even the smaller companies like Lordfield, Jet, and Seismic. Would I recommend them to a customer?  No not really. I steer my customers to stuff that I have more experience and knowledge about. But they are still good balls.

And lastly....lets remember. ..the great majority of todays releases are parts balls. Storm for example has released a handful recently....only the Lucid is an all new cover and all new core combined. Same goes for the other brands.

Nice in theory, reference Patrick Allen when he terminated his own Track contract a few years ago. Claiming these guys can throw "anything" is a disservice. They cant, period. Will they strike? Yes. Will they win? No.

These guys are the best in the world and carry 20+ balls to the venue, yet we have people saying "balls dont matter". Only on ballreviews.com

You guys surprise me with your emotional response, rather than a logical one.

However, if you honestly think the brand of ball makes a difference, rationally, if you think it through, so many balls made today have such a  wide variety of potential reactions built into them (especially asymmetrics), you'd be more correct in saying that the drilling and the surface is what wins, rather than the ball itself.

This is especially true on the sport patterns that most of the PBA tournaments use, where almost a 1/2" pin or MB placement OR 5 degrees of VAL or DRILL angle can make a significant difference in the hands of these experts, no less the actual surface.

Balls, like the Vow, the Defiant Soul, the Aura, the Lucid, & the First Blood, can probably get upwards of 50 subtle but different balls reactions for any one PBA player if you mix Surface, Drill angle, VAL angle, Pin distance and weight hole for any one of these asymmetrics.

So, are any of you giving any credit to the brands' Tour rep for putting the right ball into the bowler's hand?  -- Nope.
Are you giving any credit to the bowler? -- Nope.
Anyone give credit to Ronald Hicks or Hank Boomershine (and their designer kin with other companies) for designing these great balls? -- Nope.
All credit goes to the bowling ball.
Really?

Quote from: charlest on February 20, 2013, 10:51:42 AM

You guys surprise me with your emotional response, rather than a logical one.

However, if you honestly think the brand of ball makes a difference, rationally, if you think it through, so many balls made today have such a  wide variety of potential reactions built into them (especially asymmetrics), you'd be more correct in saying that the drilling and the surface is what wins, rather than the ball itself.

This is especially true on the sport patterns that most of the PBA tournaments use, where almost a 1/2" pin or MB placement OR 5 degrees of VAL or DRILL angle can make a significant difference in the hands of these experts, no less the actual surface.

Balls, like the Vow, the Defiant Soul, the Aura, the Lucid, & the First Blood, can probably get upwards of 50 subtle but different balls reactions for any one PBA player if you mix Surface, Drill angle, VAL angle, Pin distance and weight hole for any one of these asymmetrics.

So, are any of you giving any credit to the brands' Tour rep for putting the right ball into the bowler's hand?  -- Nope.
Are you giving any credit to the bowler? -- Nope.
Anyone give credit to Ronald Hicks or Hank Boomershine (and their designer kin with other companies) for designing these great balls? -- Nope.
All credit goes to the bowling ball.
Really?

Youre back pedaling faster than Deion Sanders now, of course all that matters, it goes without saying. But you stated "the balls dont win". Execution and confidence do, correct? Now, your rebuttal post is flooded with semantics covering VAL angle, surface, MB placement etc. If all that hold true, lets get Mr. Gomez a Black Beauty with the right surface and VAL angle and any other technicality to support your claim.

Point is, you cannot and will not out bowl bad ball reaction. No matter how well you execute or how confident you are.

I agree with Northface on this one.

Randy commented on less oil on the lane Gomez was using the Shooting Star (older, weaker cover) on and more oil on the lane he was using the Hyroad on(stronger cover) and it was significant in allowing him to play very similar lines with a big difference in oil volume.

Great matchup and great execution and great realization of the matchups needed.

Fantastic all around.

Regards,

Luckylefty