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Brodieman

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Switching to Roto
« on: August 15, 2007, 11:54:02 AM »
Well im starting to make a transition and from reading reviews, and bowlers stats, and comparing to my own, ive decided on rotogrip.  

I've been throwing storm with mixed results for the past few years.  Awhile back i started feeling and seeing that storm just wasnt matching up, and they keep pumping out equipment like rabbits making babies.

Thanks to 9orbetter i have a picked up a just about new Venus.  With my mid rev rate and 16 give or take speed im thinking of laying it out (guesstimate) with the pin 4 1/2 or 5 to pap with the mb in the midplane.  This was going to be for my late shifters, and short houses.

I also have my eye on a Saturn, but im wondering with a strong layout 3 to PAP with the mb in the track.  Is the saturn enough ball, or should I opt for the Horizon solid?  

Im just trying to start a simple 2 ball arsenal for now so any input would be great!
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tloy

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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2007, 07:58:28 PM »
If you are looking for a heavier oil ball get the Horizon solid. You will not regret it. It can handle a good bit of oil. Welcome to the RG family.. I switched a few years back from Track/Columbia for the same reason and have not regretted it at all. RG makes great equipment.....
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directdrill

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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2007, 07:04:12 AM »
If you are deciding between the Horizon Solid and the Saturn, I'd get the Horizon Solid.  I have both and really like both of them.  The Horizon Solid is a great benchmark type of ball.  I have mine drilled 4-1/2" pin-PAP x 4" CG-PAP.  The Saturn is drilled 5" pin-PAP x 30 degrees.  Saturn is stronger than you think, but I feel the Horizon Solid is more versatile.
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williewc

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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2007, 07:11:01 AM »
why would you put the MB in the track? that makes the ball weaker not stronger
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J_Mac

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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2007, 07:18:46 AM »
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why would you put the MB in the track? that makes the ball weaker not stronger


It hardly matters on a symmetrical core.
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williewc

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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2007, 07:27:19 AM »
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why would you put the MB in the track? that makes the ball weaker not stronger


It hardly matters on a symmetrical core.
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true, but symmetrical balls dont have a MB do they?
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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2007, 11:11:29 AM »
I actually have a Horizon Solid drilled this way and the ball reaction is much more of a smooth continuous arc, rather than a hard arc or snap.  With this drill, if you have carrydown I suggest to play closer to the friction  to get the ball rolling a little sooner so it will make the corner.  But if you have longer oil and fresh backends, this ball with this drill kills it.
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Easy10pins

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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2007, 01:15:00 PM »
I have a 3-ball RG arsenal..

Horzion Solid
Mystic
Neptune

I can cover just about any condition with these 3.
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shelley

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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2007, 01:35:05 PM »
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true, but symmetrical balls dont have a MB do they?


No, but the RG drill sheet for even the non-Epic-line balls say to find the MB as 6 3/4" from the pin through the CG and use that spot to lay out the ball like you would on a ball with an actual marked MB.

It's equivalent to using the CG if you're using degree-based systems as the PAP-pin-MB angle is always the same as the PAP-pin-CG angle.  It's slightly different from using the absolute distances (i.e., calling the layout 4x3 instead of 60*) since the CG-PAP distance isn't the same as the MB-PAP distance (it would be if it were a 6 3/4" pin).

Really, it lets you lay out ALL balls like asymmetrics.  The effect of moving the "fake" MB around is less than for a real MB, especially on strong asyms like RG's.

There's nothing wrong with that system, it's equivalent to using the CG in the first place.

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williewc

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Re: Switching to Roto
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2007, 03:04:04 PM »
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true, but symmetrical balls dont have a MB do they?


No, but the RG drill sheet for even the non-Epic-line balls say to find the MB as 6 3/4" from the pin through the CG and use that spot to lay out the ball like you would on a ball with an actual marked MB.

It's equivalent to using the CG if you're using degree-based systems as the PAP-pin-MB angle is always the same as the PAP-pin-CG angle.  It's slightly different from using the absolute distances (i.e., calling the layout 4x3 instead of 60*) since the CG-PAP distance isn't the same as the MB-PAP distance (it would be if it were a 6 3/4" pin).

Really, it lets you lay out ALL balls like asymmetrics.  The effect of moving the "fake" MB around is less than for a real MB, especially on strong asyms like RG's.

There's nothing wrong with that system, it's equivalent to using the CG in the first place.

SH


thanks for the info Shelly, didnt know that stuff, its good to learn new things every now and then lol
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