just a quick question,anyone polished the battle and if so how did it perform after you did, thinking of polishing mine ,but wondering if it will really make it go longer than it does. Not knocking the ball I am sure its me but my epic is stronger than my battle and they are set up pretty similar,4x3and 3/8.
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my style, the art of bowling without bowling

yeah ok i have been hearing the handle more oil not more hook for years now and i guess i am still on the bowlers short bus,but when you say a ball will handle more oil do you not mean it will react in oil to a greater degree than a ball not touted to handle more oil or do you mean that it will soak up more oil for you to be able to use your weaker ball later in the game. Because I am really baffled .sponges handle more water than wrags,but you can use the wrag if you have to. I thru both balls on what was the heaviest concentration of oil I have seen in our league to date. I thru the epic and it left the ten pin, didnt finish strong , I thru the battle same shot ,all things considered and instead of it coming in as the epic did it washed out,didnt think of considering a move to the pocket. I have seen the battle work well out of the oil and banking off the dry,but for the month that i have had it I havent seen e much reason for having it when there was oil
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Robb,

You explained it very well.

Take a look at BTM's reviews of these two balls Epic Aug 2005 and Battle Feb. 2006.  Compare the numbers and it is very easy to understand amount of oil and amount of total hook with torque and backend.  RG is lower on the Battle which should start it earlier.  

Do you understand the difference between ball reactions of a true particle ball and a solid reactive to a pearl reactive toomanytenpins?

Wish I had a link to Bjaardker's Particles 101.  Anyone?





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Scott

Thanx, guys; I'm still hoping that another rommie can locate that "Particle 101" link ...
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Toomanytenpins, could you post a couple pics of the drillings on the balls?  It might help to determine what is going on...

The Battle definitely hooks.  I've used mine on a 46' sport pattern and avg'd around 240 with it.  It maybe that you are getting the battle into too much dry and "burning it up" on your league shot.  

Did the ball roll out before leaving you with a washout?  What line are you playing, through the arrows and at the breakpoint?


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Dan

Yeah Mat, I think that might be what's happening, but a video of each ball showcasing the reaction he is describing would tell us for certain.  Maybe he can get a buddy to video a couple shots?

Oh, and I found a copy of the Particles 101 link Robb.

http://bowlingkingdom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2290


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Dan

Come to think of it, I think its pretty funny that everyone who posts videos only does so on that particular balls "Optimum Condition." I think that one of these days, I might just make the "Un-Video," where I throw the wrong ball on the wrong condition so people can see exactly why my Saturn/Venus is hooking the whole lane from 5th arrow, while my battle "isn't hooking" from 2nd.
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Mat Henning
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This past Sunday I shot the ball on what was the highest concentration of oil I had seen in league to date. I started out,in warm ups,standing 25 playing out to 15 with the epic and left the 10 pin. So my next shot I decided to shoot the battle from the same spot. The battle never faced to the pocket,went straight through the 3 pin.
    In my mind ,I was thinking that there was oil so I began to move right with the battle. I got to where I was pointing the ball at the pocket and leaving 10 pins. As the carry down set in the shot got worse and nothing i had would move to the pocket,and the lanes never broke down.
     I have since polished it a bit and changed finger grips,just realized they were too large, and the ball seems to be a little stronger on the back. Shot with it yesterday and shot ok, on the same league shot. I had to slow my speed and not ask it to move too many boards .If I missed right there was no getting back. I think i get overzealous after i throw a couple of strikes and my speed goes back up. All in all I think the drilling is ok i just need to get the surface right for me. I think that the rough surface and my ball speed doesnt allow the ball to rev ,I might get 5 turns on it. With it polished it revs up and flips alot better.
   I guess I am gonna have to get a video put together ,or get to one of the Illinois bowlers get togethers. I am still not really understanding the reason that if I can find a shot I can shoot everything I have,but when there is more oil I can never find a shot.
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