Author Topic: Neptune or Venus? (Read 1749 times)

thegame · « **on:** July 14, 2007, 03:14:24 PM »

I'm looking for a ball to solve the situation I'm running into at my local house. It is a typical house shot, very dry outsides, and not a lot of hold in the middle. I love my Storm equipment, but a lot of it breaks so hard, and sharply on the excessive dry, I leave a lot of 4's, 8's, 9's, and of course a few 10's. My Domination is the one I go to at the end of the night, and I give it some room, and it just goes high by a hair, and keeps me from keeping up with the scoring pace. I have a Lane Masters Hornet, but as I don't have a lot of hand (300 rpms) it usually is not quite strong enough to get around the corner. Wondering which of these two balls would be a better choice, or otherwise put maybe......would the Neptune be closer to the Hornet, or would the Venus be closer to the Domination? kind of looking for what ball would split the difference between those two balls most evenly, and not break as sharply into the pocket. Thanks for the help.

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2007, 09:41:33 AM »

Yes, the Neptune is much closer to the Hornet than the Venus is. However, UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, the Venus is not close to the Domination, depending on the usual many factors. Of the balls you mentioned it is the closest, due to its light particle load. (the less hand you have, the less difference between balls you will see.) The Venus can get near but not into usable on TRUE medium oil, in my opinion. It may work with a relatively strong drilling.

Having a slightly rolly core, but with a polished pearlized, light particle load, it is fairly even reacting. With the very low RG differential, you do not want a weak drill on it; I'd say nothing more 4", but I'd recommend keeping it even closer to 3.5".

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"I have a Lane Masters Hornet, but as I don't have a lot of hand (300 rpms) it usually is not quite strong enough to get around the corner."[/]
300 revs is more than enough hand to get the Hornet to turn the corner. I amin that range and mine has no trouble whatsoever. More important than rev rate is the ball speed to rev rate ratio. Too high a ball speed can almost negate your rev rate with respect to a specified level/amount of oil. Of course, maybe there just was too much oil in any case.

The Venus is a proper level above the Hornet in oil handling ability, in my opinion. I have both and can see this easily.

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Just looked at your profile. It says you have a Thunderstruck Pearl. Have you tried that, instead of buying another ball. The TP and the Venus should overlap more than a little bit, with the TP handling slightly more oil. Teh TP is also, in general, a step down from the Domination. The TP is also supposed to kind of even reacting, like the Venus, but it can go either way, as it rides the border between even arcing and skid/flip.

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thegame · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2007, 04:45:50 PM »

Thanks for the informative reply Charles. I have been working with that Thunderstruck Pearl, and that's kind of what has been giving me a little bit of grief. It has a tendency also to be a bit flippy for me when the pattern breaks down, and dives high into the pocket, unless I get deeper in, which I would be doing with the Domination anyway. I've tried polishing the TSP, and then it just skids a little too long, as with my rev rate being a bit low, and my speed around 17 mph or so, it has to be pretty dry for me to use a polished piece. The planet series is very intriguing for me as the cores do seem very smooth, and would give me a smoother breakpoint than the Storms I'm using now. In reading some reivews in BTM, it seems the Neptune may be quite close to the Hornet, so I think I may be leaning in the Venus direction, as having a weaker cover, core, and maybe same layout as my Domination might be a better compliment at the end of the shift than the flipper (for me) Thunderstruck Pearl. Thanks for the helpful advice.

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2007, 06:45:34 PM »

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Thanks for the informative reply Charles. I have been working with that Thunderstruck Pearl, and that's kind of what has been giving me a little bit of grief. It has a tendency also to be a bit flippy for me when the pattern breaks down, and dives high into the pocket, unless I get deeper in, which I would be doing with the Domination anyway. I've tried polishing the TSP, and then it just skids a little too long, as with my rev rate being a bit low, and my speed around 17 mph or so, it has to be pretty dry for me to use a polished piece. The planet series is very intriguing for me as the cores do seem very smooth, and would give me a smoother breakpoint than the Storms I'm using now. In reading some reivews in BTM, it seems the Neptune may be quite close to the Hornet, so I think I may be leaning in the Venus direction, as having a weaker cover, core, and maybe same layout as my Domination might be a better compliment at the end of the shift than the flipper (for me) Thunderstruck Pearl. Thanks for the helpful advice.

1. If the TSP is flippy, the Venus will be flippy. It is polished (1500 grit), it is a pearl, although it has a particle load, that hleps it recover more than it helps it overcome carrydown.

2. The Hornet is more than the Neptune, in general. It hooks more overall, but does handle just a slightl bit more oil. The Neptune varies quite a bit with the strength of the drill.

From what you say here, in this reply, I wonder if some mild solid would not suit your purposes better than the Venus or the TSP???
The 2 I have inmind are the Blue/green Centaur by Visionary and the discontinued Hammer Burgundy Pure Hammer.

The BGC is weaker but its stock 1000 grit dull/matte finish can handle medium-light to almost medium oil. I use my 2 BGCs at 2000 grit (more length and les soil handling) and polished.

The Pure Hammer is good ball for carrydown on medium light to almost medium oil. It is earlier and stronger generally than the BGC. It comes polished. Mine us drilled label and is a very even reacting ball.

There are other possibilities, like the new Brunswick solid Avalanche. The Storm Jolt solid is also a possibility: polished solid, mild core, more for light to medium-light oil.

Of course, a polished Saturn is also a possibility in this situation.
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thegame · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2007, 07:13:23 PM »

Thanks again Charles. The Centaur is out unfortunately because I want a ball I can use in regionals, and Visionary is not approved equipment, unless something changed and you can use them in regionals now. The Burgnady Hammer is very intriguing, as it seems like another smooth, very rolly ball. I thought of the Jolt line also, but thought the Planet cores might be more stable and smoother than the Jolts. The Avalanche I would have to do a bit of research on, as I'm not up as much as I should be on new Brunswick equipment, but Brunswicks are famous for early and smooth, which would be a great asset in this situation also. You have certainly given me several options, and I'll bring these up to my driller and see what he thinks as well, as he knows my game reasonably well also. Off to the research drawing board, and thanks again for the help. Looking Venus, or Avalanche, or try to dig up one of those Burgnady Hammers maybe. Thanks a ton.

John D Davis · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2007, 07:23:50 PM »

I feel like you need something that will blend the lane a little better... both the Venus and Neptune will be skid snap and can sometimes even be more hook due to the stength of the pearl coverstocks and the pearl partical should I say for the Venus. A ball that would fit your need so much better would be the Saturn. The saturn comes dull and from the way it sounds you dont need a dull ball so just polish it before throwing it. This ball will give you a much better read off the dry even if you hit it to early, vs. hitting it early with the Venus and crossing the head pin. I also have a RSP, and its wonderful for blending dry lane conditions... Just think about what I said and go in this being open minded and not having your mind set on just a Venus and Neptune, John

NJStroker · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2007, 10:13:36 AM »

Y dont u try taking the polish off of the tp. That should smooth it out more.

charlest · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2007, 06:27:51 PM »

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I feel like you need something that will blend the lane a little better... both the Venus and Neptune will be skid snap

While they can be, I have yet to see either of them be that way. I and my friend have extensively used Venus balls and he and his friend both have Neptunes. ALl 4 ball have been used a lot. Neither have ever "skid/snap"'d.

I agree they can be if drilled that way and used on the wrong oil pattern or with the wrong release. Neither are designed to be skid/snap

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and can sometimes even be more hook due to the stength of the pearl coverstocks and the pearl partical should I say for the Venus.

Not true. Or true for every ball ever made.

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A ball that would fit your need so much better would be the Saturn. The saturn comes dull and from the way it sounds you dont need a dull ball so just polish it before throwing it.

A polished Saturn is a possibility.

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Just think about what I said and go in this being open minded and not having your mind set on just a Venus and Neptune, John

Agreed. There are many possibilities.

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Edited on 7/21/2007 9:33 AM

thegame · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2007, 01:23:46 AM »

Wound up going with the Venus, and couldn't be happier. Used it in that league that was giving me trouble in the last game, when my Paradigm started jumping a little too hard at the breakpoint, and the Venus was the answer....on this night at least. The Venus gave me more length, and the smooth move to the pocket I was looking for...recovery when I got it outside into the dry, and hold in the oil that was left in the midlane. My driller kicked the CG out to the right a bit and the pin next to my ring finger. Great ball for the price, and a perfect fit.

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