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Jorge300

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Related to "Step Down from a Cell" topic
« on: May 08, 2008, 12:53:24 AM »
I was reading the what to get to step down from a Cell thread and almost posted this in there, but didn't want to confuse the two. I too have Cell, OOB surface. I have it drilled pin under about 4" from my PAP, and the MB about 45 degrees (I have to check on that one for sure, I can't remember off the top of my head). Basically a very strong drilling, I use it for PBA regionals and other tournaments. I also want a step down from that, but instead of looking at an Illusion or Pluto, I am going to go with another Cell.

My question is this: For a second Cell, to use as a step down from my original, should I go with the same dilling only change the surface, maybe 4000 abralon polished? Or should I keep the OOB surface and go with a weaker drilling, pin above maybe 5-5 1/2 inches, up the dual angles to 100-120 degrees to get added length? Which would be the better solution or does someone have another idea I haven't thought off yet. Appreciate any comments.
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Related to "Step Down from a Cell" topic
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 08:58:06 AM »
I am personally a fan of "strong ball/weak drill" equipment.  For example, I have a 5" pin to PAP, pin up layout on my Special Agent, at 2000 abralon.  This keeps the ball from burning early, but still gives me a smooth reaction downlane with great continuation.  It doesn't over-react off the dry and gives me some hold room left.  It also lets me play in my comfort zone and stand further right than some of my other equipment will let me do despite having a strong cover and core.

I'd suggest trying the weaker layout at the OOB surface and see how it reacts.  You can always smooth it out or polish it later.
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Jorge300

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Re: Related to "Step Down from a Cell" topic
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:28 AM »
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I am personally a fan of "strong ball/weak drill" equipment.  For example, I have a 5" pin to PAP, pin up layout on my Special Agent, at 2000 abralon.  This keeps the ball from burning early, but still gives me a smooth reaction downlane with great continuation.  It doesn't over-react off the dry and gives me some hold room left.  It also lets me play in my comfort zone and stand further right than some of my other equipment will let me do despite having a strong cover and core.

I'd suggest trying the weaker layout at the OOB surface and see how it reacts.  You can always smooth it out or polish it later.


Dan, thanks. My only concern, and what I failed to mention in the OP is that I have a shined Rival below as well. The problem is I have too much of a gap between the Cell and the Rival. I am trying to fill in that hole. So I am afraid if I go with the longer pin in the OOB surface, and then shine it, I will wind up with a reaction similar to the Rival.

To be honest, I like the Cell a lot, but I haven't thrown it all that much, just not enough oil. That is why I have thrown this out here, to those who have more experience throwing it and changing the coverstock, etc. I would like this new Cell to be one I could throw on a medium-heavy house shot as well, just to give me more then the Rival which is amazing on a true Medium condition.
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Re: Related to "Step Down from a Cell" topic
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 09:36:50 AM »
A weaker drill but with a smooth sanded finish rather than a polished finish should bridge that gap quite well in my opinion.  If you use a weaker drill to keep the ball from revving as hard and early, it will give you a better look when there isn't quite as much oil.  That's why I can even use my Special Agent on medium conditions, for example.
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Jorge300

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Re: Related to "Step Down from a Cell" topic
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 09:59:09 AM »
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A weaker drill but with a smooth sanded finish rather than a polished finish should bridge that gap quite well in my opinion.  If you use a weaker drill to keep the ball from revving as hard and early, it will give you a better look when there isn't quite as much oil.  That's why I can even use my Special Agent on medium conditions, for example.


The Cell comes 2000 OOB (I think), and it seems rather dull to me. Would you think a weaker drill and maybe 4000 abralon, but no polish might be good look for this one?
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Related to "Step Down from a Cell" topic
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 10:10:42 AM »
2000 and 4000 abralon are my go-to surfaces.  Good length, can handle a litle oil, but smooth and controllable.  And 2000 may look dull, but doesn't react like a truly dull surface in my opinion.  I'd call it more of a "matte" finish.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 10:27:54 AM »
I agree with Dan.  For me, 2000 gives me an earlier roll (so to speak), but a lot of backend.  It's a lot less over/under than a shiny ball, but still lots of pop in the back.
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Re: Related to "Step Down from a Cell" topic
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2008, 02:23:13 PM »
Jorge,

Let me tell you what I did with my Cell; maybe it will help, maybe not.

Mine is drilled 4,5"x4.5", pin in ring finger, about 75 degree PAP-pin-MB. With the stock 2000 grit, I can't ues it anywhere locally, even within an hour's drive. (Maybe in this summer's PBA exp Shark pattern?)

When I took it to 4000 grit, I got more length and a full notch more backend. Kind of surprising. Since I bowl on medium-light to medium oil at the most, I could only use it for one game, mostly standing up against the ball return. No fun.

Next I polished it. First I took it down in grit level, because polish on 2000 or 4000 grit is not what I thought would be good. So I sanded it to 600 grit and used Brunswick's High Gloss polish. Since this polish has no abrasive in it, the underlying 600 grit sanding remained, and the polish gave it plenty of length. I didn't have to stand against the ball return either. That 600 grit must have just burned up enough energy for me, my release, and the oil level we had, BECAUSE the Cell kept its even reacting characteristics that we all love so much. No flip on the backend but plenty of backend and carry.

Next, just to experiment, I tried Storm's Xtra Shine, an abrasive polish. This provided only slightly more length, but a lot more backend, closer to a smooth acting pearl, in its backend. I think I like the 600 grit + Brunswick polish better. But that's my preference.


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