Post by: Blows on August 09, 2008, 03:17:06 PM
I have not read much about it yet.Is it good or just another ball?
Post by: SVstar34 on August 09, 2008, 11:56:11 PM
just take a couple minutes to look in the Roto part of BR, where there is a topic about the Grand Illusion.
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Post by: TheDude on August 10, 2008, 09:34:56 PM
Overall a more versatile ball than anything they have had in there midpriced line in years. From a proshop point of view its not always about how many conditions that one ball for a customer can cover. Its about how many customers it can work for. Like the cell it works for a large majourity.
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Post by: rvmark on August 11, 2008, 08:08:13 AM
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Post by: bowl400 on August 12, 2008, 02:43:37 PM
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Post by: Blows on August 12, 2008, 09:42:18 PM
Post by: jkiser01 on August 12, 2008, 09:48:14 PM
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Another question,How well does/would this ball handle slick lane conditions? With the middle being almost flooded at times,depending on who running the machine?
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Post by: Blows on August 12, 2008, 10:01:07 PM
Post by: nypro on August 14, 2008, 05:38:29 PM
Post by: charlest on August 14, 2008, 06:38:29 PM
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This ball is NOT designed to handle those types of conditions. The Cell handles slick and or flooded conditions.. The Grand Illusion is more for medium lane conditions..quote:
Another question,How well does/would this ball handle slick lane conditions? With the middle being almost flooded at times,depending on who running the machine?
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Of course with a 2000 grit Abralon + polish, it will handle less oil than if it were sanded to 2000 grit or even 4000 grit Abralon, but who said this ball's surface MUST NEVER BE CHANGED FROM ITS STOCK SURFACE?
The ball is, from my point of view, designed to do everything every good solid resin is designed to do. The fact that RG decided to market it with a polished finish has nothing to do with its basic design. Since the Copperhead is so good sanded to 800 grit, does that mean it must never be polished? Of course not.
I'm sure the GI will handle quite a bit a "slick" or oil if sanded.
If one doesn't have a Cell, you can probably sand it to 600 or 800 grit. If you have a Cell in stock form, one could probably sand it to 2000 or 4000 grit Abralon and get a smoother, more-oil-handling ball.
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Edited on 8/14/2008 6:40 PM
Post by: SVstar34 on August 14, 2008, 07:06:59 PM
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Post by: BirwinJR on August 14, 2008, 07:27:46 PM
Post by: charlest on August 14, 2008, 08:06:47 PM
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Charlest, the Cell's OOB finish is 2000 Abralon. I'm guessing you meant you could take a Grand Illusion and sand it to 2000 or 4000 to get a smoother more oil-capable ball.
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Of course, the "it" I was talking about in my last paragraphis the GI.
I do recall with what stock surface the Cell came I've adjusted mine up and down, as noted in my review, and its reaction changes with each surface change.
FYI I assume the GI is polished by the factory to differentiate it from the Cell and the Illusion, a pretty good trio.
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Post by: bowl400 on August 15, 2008, 11:52:10 AM
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Post by: charlest on August 15, 2008, 04:34:12 PM
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ok, tried it on the fresh house shot (short, light, clean backends). ball was too strong to play straight up 8. moved inside 12 to 8, it rolled and carried very well as long as i maintained speed and proper hit. if i slowed down and/or missed it, the results were not good. so far i would say that the GI is not as release friendly as the cell (the illusion is the same way). will report back after next week, will be playing on the scorpion pattern in the pba experience league.
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With the polished finished, it requires a little more of the bowler. Scuffing it slightly with a nylon pad to remove some of the shine will make it more release friendly. Putting some games on it and getting to know the ball will help also.
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Post by: bowl400 on August 16, 2008, 02:40:55 AM
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