No ball death on either ones. One resurface on each. In shop, we have the Ebonite version of the haus, and from diamond pads, to 180, 360, 500, 1000 and 2000, the ball reacts just like new. You can bleed all of the oil out, but can not compare to a full resurface, giving you new "surface" also.
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Thirtyclean (Well maybe 29, or 28, most of
the times !)