Author Topic: I rolled the Mutant at matchmaker tonight (Read 3584 times)

joblo1978 · « **on:** October 22, 2009, 03:58:19 PM »

I gotta say I was a little disappointed over this. Granted the fit wasn''''t great and it was drilled pin at 12 o''''clock, but I just found the ball with this layout to be fairly weak at the breakpoint and didn''''t give me the length, snap, and angle that I need/like. Got through the heads pretty smooth, but I tried slowing it down, revving up on it more, but the down and in shot was what it wanted. I tried several different lanes, A/B''''d it with my Cell Pearl, didn''''t seem to make much difference. There was good oil on the lanes and nice backends. Maybe with a little polish it might hold a little more energy, but I''''m used to throwing pearls anyway. Honestly I don''''t think that it has a look that you can''''t get from any other ball in the cell-line but it definitely does not have the length of the pearl for me and seems to deflect some. Even with a more agressive layout, I''''m not sure if I could really get into the ball, or that it will fill a niche for me. Ball color looks really nice until you roll it, then it kinda looks like puke. I would have to see more of it before I threw down the cash.

Some things I will say good about the mutant though...

I''''ve never seen a ball produce messengers like that. It will send 4 pins all the way to the right side of the deck with ease and fairly often. The ball also produces a unique crunch when it hits the pocket.

A little off topic, I tried the Virtual Energy tonight after I got done with the Mutant. I was sold on that ball immediately. I was totally blown away by the length, angle, and how devastating that ball is to the pins with a similar layout. After the first flush pocket hit, it was just like "damn I gotta get one of these"! Ball just strikes so hard and carries through the pins without slowing down.

Smells nice too!

I''''ll be holding off on the Mutant and getting a VE!

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VideoBallReviews · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2009, 06:50:44 AM »

Joblo,

If the VE worked and the Mutant did not, my first thought would be you weren't seeing enough volume for the mutant cell to be effective OOB. Im assuming they were both at their box surfaces for the program which would put the VE at 1500 polished and the mutant at 2000. Thats a fairly large difference. My mutants even drilled weak need a bunch of oil up front OOB just to get them to push far enough. In fact now that i have a bunch of games on the one and it has started to lane shine a bit i like the reaction even more on my local THS.

Without being there watching you throw the ball its tough to say exactly what the issue would have been. Did you discuss your disappointment with one of the storm reps running the matchmaker program?
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2009, 07:51:33 AM »

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I just found the ball with this layout to be fairly weak at the breakpoint and didn''t give me the length, snap, and angle that I need/like.

Considering it's a solid coverstock ball with a dull finish meant for handling higher volumes of oil, that's a good thing! If you want something to react hard to the friction and create a lot of angle on the back, throw the Cell Pearl. If you want something that picks up an earlier, harder roll to plow through a puddle of oil and give you predictable roll that still carries exceptionally well, throw the Mutant Cell.

joblo1978 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2009, 08:41:17 AM »

That's a possiblility. I'm not saying the ball totally blew. But from looking at the rings of oil on the track after throwing down a fresh Scorpion pattern I'm pretty sure I had plenty of oil. BTW, the oil absorbtion is crazy on the MC. Just not as nasty as the VG, and that's the look I'm looking for.

I just don't think a dull finish ball is for me right now.

icewall · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2009, 09:07:52 AM »

my rogue cell acts like you describe even when there is PLENTY of oil out there. pin just above and between the bridge 12 o clock. and mb just a touch right of thumb.

very rolly ball in my hands, but it scores well if i can get lined up with it!
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JustABowler · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2009, 12:12:21 PM »

I drilled up my mutant 70* x 2 3/4 x 45* and this ball is beast. With this layout the flare stayed tight and the ball got down the lane much easier. Ball got into the midlane and maintained its axis and just ripped it up on the backs. Very continuous and strong. If I had drilled this with a longer pin I know it would puke down lane and been very soft. Understand what you have, where you want to throw it, and drill it accordingly.

joblo1978 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2009, 12:24:23 PM »

I have video of me a/b'ing the two on the same pattern. Definitely not high quality as it was done with a cell-phone if anyone is interested.

Basically all I'm saying is that I prefer the Virtual Energy over the Mutant Cell with similar layouts on similar shots, this is not an unrealistic thing for anyone to think either.

Calm down guys.

rotostlgrip · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2009, 07:45:54 PM »

Just my 2 cents...

You're definitely comparing apples and oranges here... Of course on any given shot, one will work better than the other. You could've easily not liked the VE if the particular oil pattern fit the mutant better.

So, I know that you're not bashing the mutant, but I disagree with the comparison, totally different animals.
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Steve Richter · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2009, 08:21:20 PM »

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I just found the ball with this layout to be fairly weak at the breakpoint and didn''t give me the length, snap, and angle that I need/like

(sigh)...It's not even intended to give you what you say you were looking for.

Let's all say it now........."But a ball reaction, not a bowling ball"
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joblo1978 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2009, 08:50:30 PM »

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[/Just my 2 cents...

You''re definitely comparing apples and oranges here... Of course on any given shot, one will work better than the other. You could''ve easily not liked the VE if the particular oil pattern fit the mutant better.

So, I know that you''re not bashing the mutant, but I disagree with the comparison, totally different animals.

You have the right to disagree if you want. But I can compare it to whatever ball I want. I''M the one looking for a new ball...so I can do that. Comparing one high end reactive ball to another allows me to make an informed buying decision. Now if I compared it to trying to roll a brick down the lane, that would be ludicrous.

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(sigh)...It''s not even intended to give you what you say you were looking for.

Let''s all say it now........."But a ball reaction, not a bowling ball"

Whatever...Mr. way too technical.

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urbanshaft · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2009, 12:48:32 AM »

so britton
how is it compared to the vg

joblo1978 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 24, 2009, 01:53:22 AM »

Not only do I feel the VE was noticeably stronger and an all around better ball on just this condition, but I rolled it on several other lanes with various other patterns and degrees of oil and carrydown. Believe me, I''''''''m not knocking Roto. Both balls are from Hank and I have my highest games/series with Roto. This is my first experience rolling a Storm. Overall, for what I did, which was to test Storm and Roto''''''''s newest releases in a generic fashion on several different conditions, the Virtual Energy really did it for me.

I may still get a Mutant Cell, but the VE will be my next ball without a doubt!

Flame suit on.

Virtual Energy XXXLow quality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gya9z2Moa18

I seem to have deleted the Mutant Cell video, oh well.

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Laniarty · « **Reply #12 on:** October 24, 2009, 02:34:37 AM »

What you saw there is exactly the same difference I have with my Mutant vs VE. The Cell is smoother, VE has a sharp breakpoint.

I personally prefer the smoother more predictable roll on fresh oil, especially if the backends are stripped and you get an over reaction at the end of the pattern. I like my VE for when i need greater length and/or the backends don't have enough pop. I get into trouble with the VE sometimes because it is too aggressive and it likes to go through the nose if I drop my speed by just a little.

I feel like they compliment each other.

Dan Belcher · « **Reply #13 on:** October 24, 2009, 01:51:51 PM »

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[/Just my 2 cents...

You''re definitely comparing apples and oranges here... Of course on any given shot, one will work better than the other. You could''ve easily not liked the VE if the particular oil pattern fit the mutant better.

So, I know that you''re not bashing the mutant, but I disagree with the comparison, totally different animals.

You have the right to disagree if you want. But I can compare it to whatever ball I want. I''M the one looking for a new ball...so I can do that. Comparing one high end reactive ball to another allows me to make an informed buying decision. Now if I compared it to trying to roll a brick down the lane, that would be ludicrous.

quote:

(sigh)...It''s not even intended to give you what you say you were looking for.

Let''s all say it now........."But a ball reaction, not a bowling ball"

Whatever...Mr. way too technical.

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No, everyone here is just saying you're trying to compare to completely and totally different types of balls, which isn't really fair. (Not to mention understanding when to throw which ball IS a technical issue. It's all physics, when you really think about it.

The Virtual Energy is meant more for medium-heavy oil at most, it's a polished 1-part-solid/2-parts-pearl hybrid coverstock meant to handle some oil, but also really respond hard downlane and create angle.

The Mutant Cell is a pure heavy oil ball, with a dull solid coverstock meant to pick up an early, heavy roll, and not do it all on the backend.

Based on the amount that you were able to hook the Virtual Energy on that Scorpion pattern, I can see why you didn't like the Mutant Cell -- you are seeing entirely too much friction for its strong points to shine. The Virtual Energy is a better ball for the conditions you're seeing combined with the way you throw the ball. The Mutant Cell is not going to give you that big spectacular hook on the backend, but if you get on a pattern where it's hard to control anything polished, and it's difficult to get consistent carry with balls that really snap on the backend, then the Mutant Cell is what you need to give you both control and a heavy roll through the pins when the Virtual Energy wants to go split/washout/flat 10/split all the time.

That's all we're saying. You ARE trying to compare apples and oranges. Not all "high performance" balls are meant to have the explosive backend motion that you need for the lane conditions you are seeing.

joblo1978 · « **Reply #14 on:** October 24, 2009, 03:20:55 PM »

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o, everyone here is just saying you''re trying to compare to completely and totally different types of balls, which isn''t really fair. (Not to mention understanding when to throw which ball IS a technical issue. It''s all physics, when you really think about it.

The Virtual Energy is meant more for medium-heavy oil at most, it''s a polished 1-part-solid/2-parts-pearl hybrid coverstock meant to handle some oil, but also really respond hard downlane and create angle.

The Mutant Cell is a pure heavy oil ball, with a dull solid coverstock meant to pick up an early, heavy roll, and not do it all on the backend.

Based on the amount that you were able to hook the Virtual Energy on that Scorpion pattern, I can see why you didn''t like the Mutant Cell -- you are seeing entirely too much friction for its strong points to shine. The Virtual Energy is a better ball for the conditions you''re seeing combined with the way you throw the ball. The Mutant Cell is not going to give you that big spectacular hook on the backend, but if you get on a pattern where it''s hard to control anything polished, and it''s difficult to get consistent carry with balls that really snap on the backend, then the Mutant Cell is what you need to give you both control and a heavy roll through the pins when the Virtual Energy wants to go split/washout/flat 10/split all the time.

That''s all we''re saying. You ARE trying to compare apples and oranges. Not all "high performance" balls are meant to have the explosive backend motion that you need for the lane conditions you are seeing.

So what''s your point? You basically said what I''ve already said.

I can demo whatever ball I want to try and get the look that I''m seeking. All I''m saying is the MC isn''t it and the VE is. What''s your deal dude?

I wasn''t trying to upset all the Mutant nutswingers. Not that I really care.

Bottom line, the Mutant Cell doesn''t give me what I like on the conditions I generally bowl on. Enough that I have cancelled my preorder on it and have a VE coming.

The matchmaker was fun and helped me make a decision on my next ball. It just wasn''t the Mutant Cell that I had hoped for me.

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