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EFFEN 10

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Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« on: February 04, 2010, 10:28:18 AM »
I won this ball in a raffle and I'm considering makeing it make heavy oil ball.
I'm planning on taking the cover down to 2000 ab.I bowl on alot of longer(40-42 ft),heavier sport patterns.To those of you who own this ball,is this a good idea?Or, should I consider some thing else,like the new Storm Invasion.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 06:55:06 PM »
The Rogue Cell is one of the strongest balls I own. At 2000 or 1000 AB it will handle any amount of oil, if layed out properly for your roll.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 07:07:43 PM »
Based on the hook ratings I've seen the rogue seems to one of the most overall hooking balls out there.  Therefore, you probably need to layout the ball based on the shape you want the ball to react on the lanes and match that to your speed and rev rate.  It should be very effective.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 09:22:42 PM »
Very strong ball. I would try it at the OOB 4000 first. It can really move at that.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2010, 04:52:36 PM »
Get the Storm Invasion, because the Rogue Cell I have is a P.O.S. I can't give it away. For the first three weeks it was great, but I havent been able to do anything with it since. Before anyone says anything, YES I have done EVERYTHING to it (hot water bath, resurfaced to oob, clean and dull, rejuvenate) and NOTHING.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2010, 06:53:35 PM »
I know a guy that has a Rogue Cell with a double thumb layout on it, works for him on the heavy stuff(2000 surface)
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2010, 07:01:10 PM »
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Get the Storm Invasion, because the Rogue Cell I have is a P.O.S. I can't give it away. For the first three weeks it was great, but I havent been able to do anything with it since. Before anyone says anything, YES I have done EVERYTHING to it (hot water bath, resurfaced to oob, clean and dull, rejuvenate) and NOTHING.

I hate to say it, but mine also died after only a short amount of games.  I tried everything to revive it as well.  It was an absolute monster for a month, and then it died.  I always cleaned it after every set on my spinner.  I even tried abralon to bring it back to OOB finish.  No dice.  Considering my Cubic Cell has 100+ games on it and is still going strong, I was letdown by the Rogue.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 12:48:03 AM »
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Get the Storm Invasion, because the Rogue Cell I have is a P.O.S. I can't give it away. For the first three weeks it was great, but I havent been able to do anything with it since. Before anyone says anything, YES I have done EVERYTHING to it (hot water bath, resurfaced to oob, clean and dull, rejuvenate) and NOTHING.

I hate to say it, but mine also died after only a short amount of games.  I tried everything to revive it as well.  It was an absolute monster for a month, and then it died.  I always cleaned it after every set on my spinner.  I even tried abralon to bring it back to OOB finish.  No dice.  Considering my Cubic Cell has 100+ games on it and is still going strong, I was letdown by the Rogue.


I have heard a few people say this about their Rogue, but the vast majority of people have no problem with it. I have upwards of 100 games on mine and it is still as strong as ever. With out watching you throw it I would say that both of you might actually be having trouble with it burning up early and it just sees to be doing nothing. It is a lot of ball and for most people they don't die. The Cytoplasm coverstock is one of the lowest absorbsion speeds of high end balls. I have a lot of trouble believing that there are Cell line balls dying so quickly. I have 2 original Cells with 250+ on each and they are both still going strong. For some reason Roto's stuff isn't getting the hook potential credit it deserves and a lot of people are drilling them strong then finding that they are burning up early.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2010, 01:01:37 AM »
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With out watching you throw it I would say that both of you might actually be having trouble with it burning up early and it just sees to be doing nothing. It is a lot of ball and for most people they don't die.

Yeah that's it...My hybrid Rogue is burning-up while my solid more aggressive Cubic Cell that is drilled stacked leverage is reacting 200% more than it...The lane conditions haven't changed.  Hell, my Storm Agent tears up that shot too.  It really pisses me off when people insult my intelligence like that.  Stop using "burning-up" as a crutch.  It's really getting old...

My Rogue Cell was a dud.  Maybe yours isn't.  Oh well...That's life.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2010, 12:03:38 PM »
I believe the Rogue is one the balls using the "new" system of sanding. That is, they sand it to 500 grit Abralon and then go directly to 4000 grit, skipping 1000 grit and 2000 grit. Just making sure you are aware of this and did not do a "normal" sanding of 500, 1000, 2000, 4000 which would have made it a much milder ball, with much more length.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2010, 12:35:43 PM »
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With out watching you throw it I would say that both of you might actually be having trouble with it burning up early and it just sees to be doing nothing. It is a lot of ball and for most people they don't die.

Yeah that's it...My hybrid Rogue is burning-up while my solid more aggressive Cubic Cell that is drilled stacked leverage is reacting 200% more than it...The lane conditions haven't changed.  Hell, my Storm Agent tears up that shot too.  It really pisses me off when people insult my intelligence like that.  Stop using "burning-up" as a crutch.  It's really getting old...

My Rogue Cell was a dud.  Maybe yours isn't.  Oh well...That's life.


First of all, it is a reasonable suggestion. And second the Rogue Cell actually has a stronger cover than the Cubic Cell. The Cubic is still using the Cytoplasmic cover that the Cell has while the Rogue has the Cytoplasmic XL with added traction compared to the Cytoplasmic cover. Roto did traction studies and found the Rogue got more traction in the oil than the Cell and more backend traction than the Cell Pearl. The Rogue Cell, while being a hybrid, is, and is supposed to be, stronger than the Cell. Its cover is only second to the Mutant Cell which is the solid version of the same coverstock. Bottom line is you misunderstood the purpose of the Rogue Cell as a ball between the Cell and Cell Pearl when it is actually meant to be 5-9 boards stronger than the original Cell. Just because it is hybrid does not make it weaker than the original Cell line, which includes the Cubic Cell. I have a Cell and a Rogue drilled the same, both stacked. The Cell is at 2000 while the Rogue is still at OOB 4000. The Rogue is a solid 7 1/2 boards more and has more on the backend than the Cell.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2010, 03:08:53 PM »
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2010, 04:20:38 PM »
Ditto on the rogue dieing. I had one that had 30 games on it, and just stopped turning the corner. Revived it, resurfaced, everything... nothing..sold. I then picked up another one that was drilled 4x4 in trade, this thing was hulk hogan strong, and would just murder the rack. This one was good for about 50 games, then I started noticing the reaction decreasing. Before it completely died, I sold it. This ball with the right drilling and right surface can handle some of the heavy stuff. I just wish storm would go to a less oil absorbing cover, but the reaction there stuff gives makes me come back to them each and every time. The mutant cell is the same way, virtual gravity same as well. Like I said, the reaction is just addictive though.. I am starting to think it is where you bowl, and how much oil they put out?
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2010, 05:23:46 PM »
Very good information here.I had my Rogue punched up this
morning,4x4 with a 2" pin buffer.This put the pin about an inch
above my ring finger with a weight hole on my PAP.Got a tourney next
Sat.that I'm gonna try it on so we shall see.Thanks everone.
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Re: Is the Rogue Cell an Oiler Ball?
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2010, 06:55:44 PM »
Good luck on it EFFEN, just wipe it down every shot and it won't die on you.
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