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thewhiz

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More oil
« on: September 01, 2016, 04:51:44 PM »
Had first night of league last night.  Last year my eternal cell turned the corner nice but last night it was not making its typical move to the pocket.  Center said they put down a little more oil this year.  Shouldn't notice it they say.  I don't believe it.  What other storm or roto grip ball would I go to.  I like the look of the no rules but would it be too strong.  How many more boards of hook would it be than the eternal cell?  Any suggestions.

 

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Re: More oil
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2016, 04:55:59 PM »
Any thoughts of adding a little surface to the Eternal Cell? You may not need another ball.
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Re: More oil
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2016, 05:02:13 PM »
Well never thought of that.  What surface?  2000?  Won't thatmake it Not have much backend at all?

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Re: More oil
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2016, 05:07:36 PM »
I'm guessing that the Eternal Cell comes with the Storm ubiquitous "1500 Polished" finish. So I would try a 4000 Abralon pad to start. Or perhaps 3000. The ball will still have a decent snap at these higher grits and will be able to handle more oil at the same time.

You just may find it to be a little easier to control without all that skid-flip that comes from balls with a strong core and polished cover.
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Re: More oil
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2016, 05:32:14 PM »
I wish our center would put more oil. Storm Ride and Brunswick Rhino are normally my best options on the house shot.

Like it was suggested above, I'd change the surface on the Eternal Cell before looking to buy another ball. Im personally a fan of using 3000 abralon

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Re: More oil
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2016, 05:49:15 PM »
Personally, any Utah ball that comes "1500 polished" you should change the surface on immediately. Even if you want it shiny.

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Re: More oil
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2016, 07:10:02 PM »
This may be a dumb question but can I make the surface 3000 and then hit it with polish to shine it up?  Will it still be 3000 finish but just shiny?

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Re: More oil
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2016, 07:33:26 PM »
This may be a dumb question but can I make the surface 3000 and then hit it with polish to shine it up?  Will it still be 3000 finish but just shiny?

No. Polish is actually a micro-abrasive that takes most surfaces into the 5000 - 5500 grit range. You'll have 3000 grit in the valleys underneath the 5000 grit peaks.

FOr most people the stock "1500 grit polished" finish is too skid/flippy. Use a 1500 or 2000 grit pad and hand surface it with water. Then take a good polish and use a light pressure with a medium amount of polish (Quarter sized dollop for each of 2 sides) on a spinner. Th erersult should be shiny but nowhere near the gloss of the stock surface.

An alternative is to just, as mentioned previously, take a 4000 grit pad to the stock gloss by hand, with water. It should handle the same amount of oil but hook SLIGHTLY sooner, have SLIGHTLY less backend, but be less susceptible to carrydown.
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Re: More oil
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2016, 07:34:29 PM »
Any thoughts of adding a little surface to the Eternal Cell? You may not need another ball.

Another alternative is just move feet and target 1 - 3 boards further to the outside depending on the amount of oil.
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Re: More oil
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2016, 08:27:36 PM »
I have a polish and a compound.  Polish would be better correct? 

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Re: More oil
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2016, 08:21:47 AM »
I have a polish and a compound.  Polish would be better correct? 

It depends on the surface you want to achieve.
Polishes: you can usually put almost any grit as a base level and then polish with as much pressure, polish and time on the spinner to achieve the amount of shine/gloss you want/need.

Compounds are usually more aggressive (they have more of duller abrasives than polishes); so you can start with fuller base grit levels and then take it in steps to where you want.
For example: Brunswick often uses 500 grit as the base and then uses Rough Buff or Royal Compound on the spinner to bring the surface to the 3000 - 4000 grit range.
They also, on a very few balls start with a 500/1000/1500 grit base level, apply the same compounds and get a polished finish. (For me this 2nd method winds up with almost no difference from using a 2000/2500 grit base and then applying polish.)

With both compounds and polish, once you gain some experience, with the proper base coat, you can achieve almost any level of polish and there fore skid & backend. As mentioned in some previous replies in this thread, 4000 grit pad over a 500 or 1000 grit base can emulate a lightly polished surface.

With both, experimentation and testing is the best way to gain experience to get the surface you need/want.
*Be warned that the surface you want may not be the surface you need. *
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Re: More oil
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2016, 09:53:20 AM »
How many games does the Eternal Cell have on it? Do you clean it after every set?

While it may be extra oil the center is putting out, it also may be time for a detox.


And for the record, the Eternal Cell is the 2nd strongest ball in my bag after the Alpha Crux.  I recommend the Alpha Crux as a step up.

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Re: More oil
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2016, 09:57:40 AM »
I do not have the Eternal Cell but have had all the others in the Cell line. The NoRules is very strong. May have to go higher grit on mine :)

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Re: More oil
« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2016, 10:34:44 AM »
As mentioned before, moving your feet towards the friction would work. It is a house shot, so you should be able to find some friction towards the gutter.

Here's another thing I've found, and I will reitterate. 1500 polished is very over under for me. My Dream either went 45 feet without sniffing any dry, or went stupid nuts off the friction. At 1500 polished, only look I had on a fresh house shot was using my spare release up the dry. If I got in and got ANY hand in it at all, no look at all. Only way that ball worked for me was if I hit it with some surface.

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Re: More oil
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2016, 02:26:38 PM »
I soaked the ball in a bucket of hot soapy water awhile ago.  Pulled out some oil.  Had the ball about a year now.  Keep it clean.  Is a detox better than hot water?