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HamPster

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Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« on: November 20, 2005, 11:29:52 PM »
Don't know what to do with it.  Don't care how much or how little it hooks, I just don't want it to roll out.  It's got a pretty long pin (3.5-4, I believe).  I get more and more worried each time I drill a new ball, because the majority of them recently have sucked.  I'm also worried because RG is a division of Storm, and I've never really been impressed with Storm's particle or particle pearls (with a couple exceptions, X-IT, El Nino 2000, and Trauma Recovery, but they're all older).  I'm not really impressed with my Oracle either.  Rolls up really nicely, but it's as over/under as a weak pearl ball.  I've never had a particle ball not roll up for me.  I have a light oil house and heavy oil house, and it does the same thing at both of them.  

I'd like something to react like my original X-Factor, but stronger, so I was going to copy the drilling (5x3) and hope it rolls the same.  Last two balls I've done that on haven't had such great results though.  My Reloaded didn't hook hardly at all, and my Triple X rolled out and was way too snappy.  I'm worried, very very worried . . .
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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2005, 07:37:52 AM »
Hammy!

Go w/ the 5x3 ......if it DOESN'T HOOK.....it's NOT the ball!!

Question...is your Oracle scuffed ?!?  Because if it isn't you need to put surface back on it!! Thats' how the ball was designed!

Roto is NOT a division of Storm!!  They're stuff is manufactured their,..they have their own R&D team and their cores and covers are uniquely theirs, however, their "base" coverstock formulas are shared....they are each tweaked differently to suit each companies releases.

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and my Triple X rolled out and was way too snappy. I'm worried, very very worried . . .


WHAT ? you can't "roll out" AND be snappy ?!?!?
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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2005, 09:09:14 AM »
I can't name a recent bad release from any company.  Sorry to say, but if a majority of them sucked for you, it's the indian, not the arrow.  I think you're too concerned trying to find "the perfect ball reaction", which probably doesn't exist anywhere but in your head.
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EboHammer4ever

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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2005, 10:25:13 AM »
I have all the RS line and none of mine roll out or cease to quit on me.  My RS-P has a nice long pin like your and I drilled mine with close to a 5 x 4 layout (my favorite X-Factor layout) and this ball is great.  I keep it dull and us it for fresh lanes or for carrydown.  With a little slower speed, this ball will come back from anywhere I put it.  I have nothing but Storm equipment and just recently started drilling Rotos.  I'm trying to get more people in NH to throw more Rotos.  I cannot be more happier with my current arsenal.  Next ball, probably Christmas presents will probably be an Epic as I need an extreme oil ball for tourneys and the new Silver Streak SE as I definetly missed out on getting an original and I won't pass this one up.
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HamPster

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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2005, 02:29:47 PM »
I think you're right about looking for the perfect ball reaction, Strider.  My X-Factor is about as close as I'm going to get, it just doesn't quite hook enough until the track burns a little.  All my older stuff seems to roll just great though, and very few balls I've drilled recently react well.  I can pick any ball I have in the closet or out in the garage, and it'll be just great, and the new stuff is over/under, or hits terribly.  I haven't been throwing the ball too well until just recently, but the stuff still sucks.  

Oracle has a little polish on it, otherwise it's kinda pointless to use it because it destroys the track too quickly.  That's what I meant about RG too, I mean they're owned by Storm.  I'll mess around with the Oracle tonight.  Lol, and yes, you can have snappy roll out, or snappy hook/set, or whatever you call it.  It's either a 10 or through the nose.  Oh well, I'll see what happens.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2005, 05:59:35 AM »
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Oracle has a little polish on it, otherwise it's kinda pointless to use it because it destroys the track too quickly.  That's what I meant about RG too, I mean they're owned by Storm.  I'll mess around with the Oracle tonight.  Lol, and yes, you can have snappy roll out, or snappy hook/set, or whatever you call it.  It's either a 10 or through the nose.  Oh well, I'll see what happens.


The Oracle was NOT made to be polished...something I learned myself...just a ball that's happy as snot dull!

And no...you can't have roll-out, AND snappy...it's impossible!  Roll-out is the sign of a dying reaction, snappy is just the opposite
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HamPster

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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2005, 06:14:46 AM »
Yeah, lol, I figured out the Oracle doesn't like polish.  Roll out is when the ball basically loses energy and really flattens out, right?  Well, I've had balls (Fired Up, to name one, and X-Factor Ace to name another) that I'll release with about a 55 degree angle of rotation, with plenty enough revs to get it to pick up, (no, not shooting them through the breakpoint or killing them at my release), and it'll end up snapping, but changing its direction of roll to only about a 30 degree angle of rotation.  Other balls, like my Classic Zone Red Pin, my Raging Red Fuzes, my Detonator, Super Charge, X-Factor, all my Traumas, etc., would either pick up and keep rolling or at least set and finish at the angle I released them at.  It's no specific kind of ball, coverstock, core or drilling.  BTW, see my post about the RSP, I went into the shop early yesterday to drill it.
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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2005, 07:08:17 AM »
***scratches head and rolls eyes***
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HamPster

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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2005, 07:18:04 AM »
Well then explain it to me, because everybody has a different definition.  Haven't you ever had a ball that hit flat all the time, or would never roll back up?  You can't tell me you haven't had a ball that just plain didn't react right for you.  Wish I had access to a digital video camera to show you I'm not stupid, and show you just exactly what some of these balls are doing.  Maybe I'm using the wrong terminology, or not explaining myself well enough, but I KNOW I've got a good eye for things, and I KNOW what I'm seeing.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2005, 07:33:14 AM »
of course we have Hammy but you sure as hell don't use "snappy" when describing that reaction! LOL
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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2005, 08:39:03 AM »
Its called ROLL OUT.
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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2005, 03:54:34 PM »
Well, "lol," snappy doesn't necessarily mean the ball is pulling back up to the pocket.  Maybe I should say the balls are reacting sharply, or when they hit the backends, they still react, they just don't go the right direction, lol.  I always thought it was called ROLL OUT, just making sure.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2005, 06:22:30 AM »
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I do actually think I know what Hammy means - if a ball reacts TOO strong on the back end it can make a real snappy turn but them roll pretty much straight to the pins (though at an angle to the boards).  I'd say this is most common when the ball is being used on the wrong condition and/or when throwing it too slow.

What sort of speed to you thow, hammy?

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HamPster

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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2005, 07:33:15 AM »
Yeah, that's what I mean.  Speed is mostly between 17 and 18 mph.  The conditions used to be pretty dry at the house I mainly practice at, plus I was killing the ball at the release, but I can tell when it's my fault.  There's a fair amount of oil in the middle, so if something looked to be burning up or rolling out, I'd just move really deep and crank it through the middle with a decent amount of speed to see if more oil was what it needed.  Some of the time that was it, but most of the time the ball just did the same thing.
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Re: Need drilling suggestions for RSP
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2005, 07:43:29 AM »
Hammy, check the units at the house and find out what the pattern really is!!
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