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Jeffrevs

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Needs ?!?!?
« on: January 16, 2005, 02:42:17 AM »
All Roto Grippers and others chime in!!!

Take a look at the arsenal that Roto Grip has right now...you can easily put together 3-4-5 and 6 ball arsenals with all of their equipment,....however....

WHAT ARE THEY MISSING ?!  What would you like to see next ? Where is their biggest gap ?  AND....most important....what TYPE of ball would benefit the MOST styles of bowlers in general ?!

Have at it folks........inquiring minds want to know !!
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2005, 08:07:03 PM »
High End solid with backend!! the rush is not it, it was hit or miss for many.

they need another top fuel
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2005, 10:21:29 PM »
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High End solid with backend!! the rush is not it, it was hit or miss for many.


The Dude, wouldn't that be the Apocalypse???? Mine makes a hell of a turn.

But Jeff right now I see lack of a High performance pearl.  Yes I know there is the RS-1, but the RG is so low it reacts a lot earlier than most pearls.  I would like to see another ball like the SS pearl....long then SNAP!!!! I know that there is a new particle pearl coming out, but I think that the particle is gonna make the breakpoint a lot more smoother and continuous(not always a good thing)  

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2005, 04:54:55 AM »
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Personally I think their product line's very complete. If anything they seem to have too many "light oil" or "low end" balls but IMO they found a nice niche to exploit there in a crowded, confusing market and I can't blame them one bit for that.


Actually, they have a ton of what I'd call medium-light oil balls, which may barely edge into the area of light oil. Sonic Boom, Ultra & Super are just too strong to be useful on light to dry-ish lanes, without drqastic drillings, surface changes or release modifications.

I had spoken to Roger via email 6-8 months ago and he had indicated that RG was going to develop a replacement for the original Sonic-X, which was useful into the this dry/light area, but nothing ever came of it. We got stronger (SuperSonic) and Stronger (Ultra Sonic) balls.

RG seems to have just jumped on the band wagon of Brunswick, Storm, Columbia and AMF with these balls with huge backends and high RGs for all the fluffers out there: Super Scamp, Fear, Power Grooves, Pro Stocks and the like. At least Storm still has the Big Hit.

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2005, 05:02:08 AM »
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High End solid with backend!! the rush is not it, it was hit or miss for many.

they need another top fuel
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Dude,

I'm afraid I'd have to agree with bowlingmytmouse on this one. Take the Apocalypse from its 1500 grit polished box surface down to the Top Fuel's 1000 grit matte finish and you'll have one fairly strong ball.

Besides that the Retro Resurrection is not exactly weak (roughly equivalent to a Nemesis), nor is the Rush. My Rush has a pretty strong hook over all,  even with a mild drilling (5.5x5) on a medium to medium-heavy oil pattern. If the Rush was hit or miss, maybe the drilling wasn't quite the right fit; the surface is very adaptable, although it can be very early on the wrong lane surface/oil pattern. It hit like a ton of bricks, when it's right.

Are you looking for something else or are your customers?
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2005, 09:43:42 AM »
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RG seems to have just jumped on the band wagon of Brunswick, Storm, Columbia and AMF with these balls with huge backends and high RGs for all the fluffers out there: Super Scamp, Fear, Power Grooves, Pro Stocks and the like. At least Storm still has the Big Hit.


And RG still has the Sonic X Solid at 2.60 and .020 diff...
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2005, 10:44:54 AM »
Charlest here the rush just didn't move well, Anthony skitt was never able to use the rush with multiple drillings( he is a high tracking cranker) but daniel skitt has had 6 different rushs all dull to start. then eventually polishing some of them. personally i found the ball was very picky about carry, it would either slide just a touch when the surface wasn't right and when the surface was too rough it would burn out just a little too much.

I.E. Hit or miss for us.

the Caly as it was fondly know to us was very good, but dull it was not popular, Anthony's died fast, and daniel's was mapped out for very strong angluar turn which it did( 5 1/2 from pap with cg 3 3/8 with balance hole 4 1/2 inches) this ball flipped very early and didn't stop in the backend.

a solid caly would be nice.
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2005, 10:46:45 AM »
the retro was very good seller for us and still is moving well, the ball is very general, in that the cover is easy to change and the ball could be set up to have arcing or a sharp break point easily with axis rotation changes.



if you toughed the ball it had a little bit of surface to get some traction in the oil, and it was not too dull to burn out on the dry boards.
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2005, 10:47:59 AM »
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RG seems to have just jumped on the band wagon of Brunswick, Storm, Columbia and AMF with these balls with huge backends and high RGs for all the fluffers out there: Super Scamp, Fear, Power Grooves, Pro Stocks and the like. At least Storm still has the Big Hit.


And RG still has the Sonic X Solid at 2.60 and .020 diff...
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Jeff,

don't you remember I tried that ball? I sanded it to 1500 grit, then put a high gloss polish on it; then drilled it pin above the ring finger. Still hooked too early. These are really old wood lanes. I needed a pearl. Even had to change my release to a suitcase. Can't cross too many boards either. STraight trajectory is needed. The only ball I can use so far with my normal release is a pearlized urethane. WIth the suitcase, another brand's mildest resin pearl, drilled very mild has worked.

Roger has said a new mild ball for these type of conditions is coming. I have patience. Hell, I may even try the Sonic Boom; who knows. I'm the adventuresome type, ..., with bowling balls, anyway.

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Jeffrevs

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2005, 05:01:05 AM »
tha's true...you did try the solid..........I do remember that now....

the Boom may be ok...it's not that much different in the diff department....20 vs. .029 ...it may be worth a try...
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2005, 06:34:25 AM »
BACK TO THE TOPIC FOLKS.........anything else ?!

I know that I'd like see drop the Sonic Solid,....and add a ball that is for drier lanes than that,....say,....a urethane pearl w/ the Retro/Streak core in it ?!
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2005, 08:50:13 AM »
A Pearlized Rush....that was easy!  Pearlize that Hemi core baby!
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2005, 08:52:03 AM »
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A Pearlized Rush....that was easy!  Pearlize that Hemi core baby!
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and change the core just a bit for a bigger backend...but just a tiny bit
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2005, 09:10:47 AM »
Why would you want a pearlized rush?  The core wants to start rolling at your feet.  Why try to give it more push with a pearlized cover?  It's still going to roll early.  I'm sure if they thought a pearlized Rush would work they would have already come out with it.  It's like Vortex II and Vortex II Pearl.  Yeah one is a pearl but it's still as rolly as the solid version.  I think the R&D department knows what's best with their new releases.  Leave everything to the professionals.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2005, 09:23:03 AM »
DP,

obviously...that's what the RD is there for....but this , however, is an "INTEREST" post for Roto fans and others.....ideas of what is needed in their "fleet" or otherwise.....
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