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Jeffrevs

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Needs ?!?!?
« on: January 16, 2005, 02:42:17 AM »
All Roto Grippers and others chime in!!!

Take a look at the arsenal that Roto Grip has right now...you can easily put together 3-4-5 and 6 ball arsenals with all of their equipment,....however....

WHAT ARE THEY MISSING ?!  What would you like to see next ? Where is their biggest gap ?  AND....most important....what TYPE of ball would benefit the MOST styles of bowlers in general ?!

Have at it folks........inquiring minds want to know !!
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2005, 09:37:19 AM »
So I'm not welcome?

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2005, 09:39:30 AM »
NO...I didn't say that.....I didn't even imply that.....What I mean is ,...this isn't an R&D for Roto Grip discussion...it's just for ideas, and what other people would like to see next from RG, or, what RG is missing/lacking..that's all!

Please....if you have ideas let them rip!
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2005, 10:18:54 AM »
I would love to see a pearl version of the Retro Blue. With the right drilling, that ball could really open up a lane.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2005, 10:22:35 AM »
The retro blue was a pearl.  Basically a Pearlized version of the Retro Red.  The Blue was ONE of the few Rotos I enjoyed throwing.  Since our shop probaly pushes the most Roto-Grips out of the state of Maryland I'd like to see a nice control ball with an aggressive cover and a low diff.  Similar to the Tour Power.
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2005, 10:28:46 AM »
Thx DP3. I meant a Retro Blue core with a weaker cover.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2005, 10:48:03 AM »
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I'd like to see a nice control ball with an aggressive cover and a low diff.  Similar to the Tour Power.



The Sonic Boom or Super/Ultra Sonic core w/ the Rush cover?! very nice! Good idea DP!!
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2005, 10:54:56 AM »
Is it possible Jeff that the Rush cover might be too strong??  I haven't thrown one, but that ball seemed real hit-or-miss...wasn't sure if it was the core or the cover.  The Rush had a "Posi-Trac Solid" cover, probably somewhat strong...how about the Sure-Grip reactive cover (Silver Streak Solid, Retro Res)?  Seems a little more controllable, not so strong?
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2005, 11:04:42 AM »
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Is it possible Jeff that the Rush cover might be too strong??  I haven't thrown one, but that ball seemed real hit-or-miss...wasn't sure if it was the core or the cover.  The Rush had a "Posi-Trac Solid" cover, probably somewhat strong...how about the Sure-Grip reactive cover (Silver Streak Solid, Retro Res)?  Seems a little more controllable, not so strong?



Quite possible Andrew....the only thing I see is that people who found the Rush hit or miss werent' using it on the right condition, at the right grit. I found that I had to keep her scuffed pretty regualarly and would get a MUCH better reaction that way.......I do it with a grey pad ...wet, trying to keep a fresh 800-1000 smooth on it at all times....

YES>....maybe.....the Retro res cover in the Boom core would be better....who knows.......good idea! Thanks.....
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2005, 11:23:26 AM »
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Is it possible Jeff that the Rush cover might be too strong??  I haven't thrown one, but that ball seemed real hit-or-miss...wasn't sure if it was the core or the cover.  The Rush had a "Posi-Trac Solid" cover, probably somewhat strong...how about the Sure-Grip reactive cover (Silver Streak Solid, Retro Res)?  Seems a little more controllable, not so strong?
I don't think it's too strong -- just right for when conditions call for it.  Last week, something was whack during league -- my Apoc was just not making it back to the pocket.  Pulled out my Rush and just started pounding the pocket until my thumb swelled too much to use it anymore.  So, no, I wouldn't say too strong -- maybe stronger than what most people normally need.  As far as what they're missing, I don't know...They added a spare ball and a particle pearl (too bad a just bought an Eraser PP!) -- I'd jump on the lighter pearl bandwagon (love my Sonic X).  Is a strongly assymetrical core a necessity these days??

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2005, 11:53:14 AM »
I wouldn't quite say a strong assym is a necessity so to speak, but it's becoming commonplace.  Roto doesn't need to change the world with this ball, but I LOVE the idea of the Boom core with the Silver Streak/Retro Res cover.  Perhaps call it the TP-1 (to go along with the RS-1, also the TP for Tour Power, as it was a Storm ball and Roto is still produced by Storm, correct?)  I also like the idea of the urethane pearl with a performance (though it can be a weaker) core.  Perhaps the Sonic U-52, a urethane pearl cover wrapped around the tried and true Silver Streak Solid core.  Nice somewhat-strong core with a REALLY weak cover.
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Jeffrevs

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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2005, 09:17:01 AM »
OR....the RS-1 Core in a urethane solid (adjustable) ....wow!
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2005, 09:39:20 AM »
Jeez, hook at your feet....keep going left(or right)
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2005, 09:47:29 AM »
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Jeez, hook at your feet....keep going left(or right)
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a urethane ball w/ those core combos...on todays oil ? ......cover is 70%+ reaction.....I'm not sure about your statement DP...
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2005, 10:25:38 AM »
Well lets see, the RS-1 core has a high diff and is probaly the quickest revving core I've seen in a Roto ball lately.  Everyone we've been drilling them for have commented on how hard and early revving this thing starts up in the midlane.  Since urethane is designed for early hook and control why overkill reaction with an early and aggressive coverstock and a quick revving core in the first 20-30 feet?  Pearl Urethane....maybe, but then you have the problem of a super aggressive core and a shell with not enough bite so it'd be too weak for the mediums, too high flaring for broken down conditions etc.  It's like putting a Ferrari Engine in a '78 El Camino.

I think alot of times you and I have conflicting views on roto equipment and other equipment based on geographical issues.  You're midwest, I'm far east coast/mid-northern atlantic.  On this side of the country not much has changed lane condition wise since the mid 90s.  There are still alot of bad/older surfaces and the modern oils just can't cover up the flaws in the many centers with poor surfaces and temperature problems.  The only thing new is maybe a little more volume in the heads so the particles and pourous reactives don't tear up the condition so quick.  It's something that most bowlers cannot understand unless you experience it.  In the summertime in a center that doesn't keep the A/C around 68-72 degrees the east coast humidity seeps inside and can blow out a shot in as little as 15-20 minutes depending on how people play the lanes.   Due to the humidity and lighter volumes of oil in the area early roll and early flare is a big overkill out here on most of the conditions.  Since I've spent the majority of my short career(only 9yrs) bowling up and down the east coast and never getting as far west as St. Louis I can only give a view on what I see in our region and when I travel to tournaments, and collegiate tournaments and experience.  

From an industry standpoint it doesn't seem like many of these ideas would go over or sell well.  Yeah the post is all in fun and everything but most bowlers want what is not availible and it's not availible for a reason.  Urethane days are over and there's not much use for it other than entry level equipment.  The Pure Hammer, Track Magic, and Thunder Flash are excellent balls but too condition specific for the average bowler that just wants a new ball to use on the THS, and those are the people that make up the majority of sales.
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Re: Needs ?!?!?
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2005, 10:33:08 AM »
DP,
the post is about what would be welcomed in the Roto Grip line...something they need, a gap filler,...something they're missing that would be useful.

You came up w/ a good idea earlier in the thread,...a control ball, but quite frankly, they don't go over very well either....unfortunatley...
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