I used mine this morning working with Bill Hall this balls is a great ball clean upfront and for me it hooks up midlane and roars back. I was able to play about 12 board area at the arrows from 8-20 with varying breakpoints and come flush with it about 90 percent and carry. Mine is drilled pin under middle finger and ring finger cg kicked out 2" right with a weight hole 2" below my pap. With this drill it goes about 40 feet and flips hard with a strong arc with great control and pop. I like this ball better than the apocalypse which for me is too angular but i am going to drill out the weight hole to 0 side first and then maybe 1/2 oz negative side weight if i need too.